2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[SuperMatt18]

The best teams of the cap era tend to have depth AND stars.

Tampa has stars, but are also ridiculously deep.

A team like Washington had stars for years, but didn't win until they had the depth to match.

Pittsburgh and Chicago have had stars for the last decade, but the teams that won were the ones that paired the star power with depth in the lineup.

L.A. maybe didn't have stars at the same level of Chicago or Pittsburgh, but Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Carter, Richards, Brown, etc were all pretty good at their peak.

St.Louis is probably the one team that you could say maybe didn't have as much star power and won strictly on depth I think.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by 868904

If Tkachuk goes back to his point per game pace and goes back to his on ice shenanigans, he is worth $9 million a year. The question is was this past year an aberration or can his upward trajectory prior to last year continue?

This was the first bump in the road for Tkachuk. He had been trending up prior to last season. Was it because of his concussion from the prior playoffs and covid which derailed a good Summer of training?

It wouldn’t be the worst thing if he stuck around and came to camp in the best shape of his life with a chip on his shoulder.

First of all those are big ifs. It seems the league figured him out a little, and now he should be the one to adjust. That said, even if everything you say happens, and Tkachuk is a superstar, the Flames only have team control for 2 years max. After that he is a UFA.

I also don’t see the Flames contending in the next 2 years, unless a miracle happens. I prefer to use him for an asset that is locked up for another 5 years like Eichel. Another option is to go and do a full rebuild, but it doesn’t seem like this team has the appetite for one at the moment. Without a rebuild, the only way to get out of the middle of the pack is to seriously shakeup the core of the team. That’s why his name comes up. Moreover, based on the last 2.5 seasons, I don’t have any untouchables on this team.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

There is zero chance that the Flames don’t qualify Tkachuk and let him become a UFA.


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If he’s still here they will use the club elected arbitration instead of a QO, but I mostly agree. It still only gives the club one more year of Tkachuk. Of course he might absolutely love it in Calgary, and agrees to a long term contract. I don’t see it happening though. I base a lot of my opinion on the way Tkachuk handles himself in the media, and the way his dad’s contract negotiations went, so I could be wrong.

[SeanCharles]

All this because I don’t think trading Tkachuk for two 2nd liners that are either not the most fleet of foot or don’t contribute much at 5v5.

I stand by it.

Depth is needed, of course. But you don’t trade a young star player to improve depth.

If it’s a deal to get young high potential players like a Lindholm or Hanifin that is a different story than trading for 26-27 year olds.

That’s basically the only point I was trying to make.

We need to improve our organizational depth for sure, but there are better ways to go about it.

The problem isn’t having guys like Tkachuk at $7mill, it’s having guys like Lucic at $5.25 and Ryan at $3.125.

Those are the contracts that cost a team “depth.”

[Monahammer]

Only way we should be trading Tkachuk is for a piece like eichel. Reinhart+ is not good enough and just dilutes the talent on the team. We need better talent not more diluted talent.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Can anyone think of a championship team that didn’t have a plethora of stars/brand-name players?

I don’t even think the 2006 Hurricanes fit that bill.

Perhaps the Blues? Depends on the definition of stars I suppose.

[1qqaaz]

It's funny how some people are saying they wouldn't even qualify Tkachuk, while others are saying they wouldn't trade him for Reinhart +.

Yes, in a vacuum, Tkachuk has much more value than Reinhart. Heck, even including the contract situation, Tkachuk has quite a bit more value.
Cap hits and control matter a lot, but aren't everything.

If the Flames somehow knew that Reinhart would sign a good contract, I would trade Tkachuk + for Reinhart. The + would have to be a fair amount though. I've seen Buffalo fans suggest Reinhart + Olofsson for Tkachuk.
I would do that unless the RFA contract demands were too much.

I just want good players on good value contracts.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It's funny how some people are saying they wouldn't even qualify Tkachuk, while others are saying they wouldn't trade him for Reinhart +.

Yes, in a vacuum, Tkachuk has much more value than Reinhart. Heck, even including the contract situation, Tkachuk has quite a bit more value.
Cap hits and control matter a lot, but aren't everything.

If the Flames somehow knew that Reinhart would sign a good contract, I would trade Tkachuk + for Reinhart. The + would have to be a fair amount though. I've seen Buffalo fans suggest Reinhart + Olofsson for Tkachuk.
I would do that unless the RFA contract demands were too much.

I just want good players on good value contracts.

I sort of get this but it's not realistic imo
Reinhart is going to get at least 6.5 on this rfa contract. Probably not super long term. Imo Tkachuk at 8 >> reinhart at 6m5. Add in olofsson's next raise and we come out losing for sure

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I sort of get this but it's not realistic imo
Reinhart is going to get at least 6.5 on this rfa contract. Probably not super long term. Imo Tkachuk at 8 >> reinhart at 6m5. Add in olofsson's next raise and we come out losing for sure

How are you getting Tkachuk at 8? And for what term?

I think Reinhart at 6.5 is better than Tkachuk at 9.

Tkachuk might still have more trade value at that point, but Reinhart also fills some holes the Flames need (right handed, center, right wing, leaves cap space for an offensive defense, which the Flames desperately need).

If you're going to win a cup, you need a lot of good contracts. That's basically the difference between Tampa and Toronto.
After development and drafting, that's the priority.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Perhaps the Blues? Depends on the definition of stars I suppose.

Even on a team as arguably devoid of stars as St Louis, three of its top-5 regular season scorers went to either the 2014 Olympics, 2016 World Cup, or both.

Plus Perron, Steen, Bouw, Parayko - at the very least, they had a good deal of name recognition.

[Demetric]

saw on capfriendly a sabers fan post a Mangipane for Rienhart .... not sure how to feel about this one

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2481117

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

How are you getting Tkachuk at 8? And for what term?

I think Reinhart at 6.5 is better than Tkachuk at 9.

Tkachuk might still have more trade value at that point, but Reinhart also fills some holes the Flames need (right handed, center, right wing, leaves cap space for an offensive defense, which the Flames desperately need).

If you're going to win a cup, you need a lot of good contracts. That's basically the difference between Tampa and Toronto.
After development and drafting, that's the priority.

Just because his QO is 9, does not mean that will be his cap hit on a long term deal.

No one is giving him 9M on term...so if he is offered 8 or so on a 7 year deal, i believe he would sign it in a heartbeat unless he is only interested in testing UFA.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Only way we should be trading Tkachuk is for a piece like eichel. Reinhart+ is not good enough and just dilutes the talent on the team. We need better talent not more diluted talent.

Amen brother!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

How are you getting Tkachuk at 8? And for what term?

I think Reinhart at 6.5 is better than Tkachuk at 9.

Tkachuk might still have more trade value at that point, but Reinhart also fills some holes the Flames need (right handed, center, right wing, leaves cap space for an offensive defense, which the Flames desperately need).

If you're going to win a cup, you need a lot of good contracts. That's basically the difference between Tampa and Toronto.
After development and drafting, that's the priority.

Tkachuk will take slightly less than 9 for better term imo. Guy wants to put some wins under his belt too.

But, imo still the contract value difference between Tkachuk at 9 and Reinhart at 6.5 is minimal. Reinhart was a second rate talent until this season, who knows how he looks outside of the maelstrom that is Buffalo.

[Mr.Coffee]

I guess it may depend on your definition but I’m not entirely sure Tkachuk is a “star”. Paid a lot, yes, but he had an absolutely brutal season. There were games he was borderline 4th liner.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Tkachuk will take slightly less than 9 for better term imo. Guy wants to put some wins under his belt too.

But, imo still the contract value difference between Tkachuk at 9 and Reinhart at 6.5 is minimal. Reinhart was a second rate talent until this season, who knows how he looks outside of the maelstrom that is Buffalo.

Why would he bargain into training camp, getting this essential term, only to forfeit it at the next contract? The $9 mill QO was probably the main reason he signed that deal.
This is Tkachuk we're talking about. Of the Tkachuk family.

If he was that generous, he wouldn't have signed a a contract like this in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, I think if Tkachuk signs a 9 mill x 5 years, it will be fine. He'll probably put up great numbers this year.
He has more value than Reinhart.

But I think Reinhart + Oloffson would help the team more, since the Flames have Gaudreau (who I think should be extended long term) and it's never a good idea to allocated too much cup to just LW.
And yes, I would rather just use Tkachuk + to get Eichel.

[shutout]

What would be the needed difference to bridge a deal that saw

Tkachuk and #12 2021
in exchange for
Reinhart and #1 2021

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by Demetric

saw on capfriendly a sabers fan post a Mangipane for Rienhart .... not sure how to feel about this one

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2481117

I love Mangiapane but if it’s 1 for 1 for reinhart you have to take that. Mangiapane has a great motor and is one of the most consistent players but Reinhart is the better player and makes our team better

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Demetric

saw on capfriendly a sabers fan post a Mangipane for Rienhart .... not sure how to feel about this one

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2481117

I can't see the Sabres accepting that deal one for one but I would do it in a heartbeat if I was Treliving.

[Psytic]

Not getting any faster targeting Reinhart. Getting less truculent to with both Benny and Chucky gone. I really dont like these proposals. Good way to have their heads caved in even more so by the Avs and Vegas if they make it into the PO.