2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by Red

Ovechkin isn't elite. He is the best goal scorer of all time.

Monahan is a bit of an enigma. He scores a lot and does a lot of little things, but he is usually quite invisible as the plays develop. This is why people don't give him credit. He is a great scorer for sure.

Brett Hull, Mr Mario, and the Whiner say hello to name a few. Is Ovi considered a power forward + sniper? If so, best all time combination of a player with those skill sets.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

My issue with Niederreiter is that he is a left-handed shot. If we are looking at potentially available Wild players, what about Charlie Coyle? He had an off year points-wise last year but it has come out that he had similar wrist issues to what Mony was dealing with. He has said that he could barely grip his stick last year and he had surgery on both wrists this off-season. Prognosis sounds good. He is a right-handed shot that can play W or C.

I totally forgot Niederreiter is a LH RW. And you're right that is important. Darn.

The reason I wouldn't like getting Coyle instead of Neiderreiter is that I suspect Coyle would be a downgrade in talent compared to Neiderreiter.

One guy I would love from another team is Sam Reinhart. I wonder if Brodie for Reinhart would work.

[Saqe]

This elite discussion is not very well focused at this point, are we talking about elite players or elite abilities?



Monahan is a very good player in this league where there are also quite a few other very good players. Now if we take the best quality of every "very good player" in this league, that quality is probably going to be close to elite if not just that.



Monahan's best quality is his goal scoring. He's a natural goal scorer. He's very close to being an elite goal scorer if he already isn't that.



Is he an elite player? Not in my opinion. That status should be reserved for only the very few.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Reinhart really came out strong for the last half of the season. He was a point-per-game producer for the last 40 or so games. Brodie would not be of interest for him. No point moving a 2nd overall pick when he's finally showing why he was selected there in the first place.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Reinhart really came out strong for the last half of the season. He was a point-per-game producer for the last 40 or so games. Brodie would not be of interest for him. No point moving a 2nd overall pick when he's finally showing why he was selected there in the first place.

You're probably right. I wouldn't trade Reinhart for Brodie if I managed Buffalo, not a chance.

[Toonage]

This team needs goal scorers. It needs points.

Address that regardless of what side it comes from.

Handedness is secondary. IMO

[Red]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

Brett Hull, Mr Mario, and the Whiner say hello to name a few. Is Ovi considered a power forward + sniper? If so, best all time combination of a player with those skill sets.

Ovechkin will close in at about 750+ goals for the career. He is top 5 all time in goals per game played. With the change to the game it's not unreasonable to consider him the best or at the very leave one of the best of all time. Not a standard you hold Monahan to, that's the point I was making.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Toonage

This team needs goal scorers. It needs points.

Address that regardless of what side it comes from.

Handedness is secondary. IMO

I think the team needs another top centreman.

Look at all the champions over the years, it's all about strength down the middle. The Caps had one elite winger, same with the Pens the last two years. It's the centre depth that was the key.

Either Bennett or Jankowski take a quantum leap to the next level or the Flames have to trade for one.

Monahan and Backlund are fine as 1/2 and 2/3 centres, Flames need another 1/2 centre.

[Bar-Down]

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Per the German newspaper Bild, the #Flames are reportedly in talks with German F Yasin Ehliz of Nurnberg (DEL).

Flames looking for some overseas gems.

Stats:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=123226

[CalgaryFan1988]

I still get a kick out of the fact that for 5 years or more all we had was a Rwer and now it's our weakest spot by a large margin.

I know it's not good to draft for position as opposed to BPA, but some RW depth... like any RW depth would be nice about now.

LD is our second weakest position (which is why I don't see a Brodie trade happening, but you never know), and I still hope Stone is moved (packaged with a prospect) for a RWer.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Flames looking for some overseas gems.

Stats:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=123226

Thanks man! Does anyone know a NHL e factor for the DEL?

Also, they must really like this kid because he is LH!

The connection here must be Ward, who won in the DEL a few years ago. Hopefully he has a good eye for talent.

[East Coast Flame]

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I would say he is not an elite goal scorer. He has never finished Top 10 in goals even once. An elite goal scorer should at least be Top 10 consistently.

His best season he was tied for 12th in goals. After that it is 27th or below.

Since the 14/15 when Monahan broke out in his sophomore season he is 14th in total goals and 21st in goals per game.

That's better than 97% of the NHL. I dunno if that's "elite" because elite is a completely subjective term. If you are drawing the elite line at 1%, that means only 7 goal scorers are elite, and I don't think there is realistically a neat line to be drawn there. For instance between ranks 17-33 are guys who scored 0.37 to 0.35 goals per game. Which works out to 1.6 goals difference per season. The gaps are pretty tight, and there aren't very clear lines between groups.

If you are saying elite is top 1% he's not elite, but he's close enough to the top that he's right behind the untouchables.

It's safe to say that he isn't part of the problem for the Flames.

[SportsJunky]

I'm interested to see how this plays out for Calgary at the draft. There is some thought that Toronto is interested in trading down again at this draft. Now, Calgary's 1st pick of the draft at #105 is a long way to trade down but perhaps it works as part of a larger deal? Hamilton might need to be involved in something like that. I think Toronto covets a guy like Dougie and they should. He represents a big missing piece for that team IMO. Brodie to a lesser extent. Stone somewhat?

Calgary must get a forward back along with the 1st rounder. Marner too much? Kapanen not enough? Is Nylander a possibility? I don't know but I see them as a good fit to do a deal with Calgary. Of course there are other teams that would need/want a Dman and could afford to move a RH forward. Columbus (Atkinson), Tampa (Johnson), Montreal (Gallagher, although maybe they need a C more than a defenceman).

It's going to get interesting now that the Finals have ended. Rasmus, in my mind, stays with the big club next season. I'm convinced that Treliving is going to move a defenceman. Whether or not it's in a huge deal or a smaller one is where the intrigue lies for me.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Wonder what type of game the DEL kid plays. He has good numbers at first glance but every year he has 4-5 guys with more points than him on the team.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Thanks man! Does anyone know a NHL e factor for the DEL?

It's 0.52*

*Full Disclosure: I think NHLe is flawed.

[Svartsengi]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Wonder what type of game the DEL kid plays. He has good numbers at first glance but every year he has 4-5 guys with more points than him on the team.

Former Flame Steven Reinprecht is the Nurnburg team Captain. Don't know if he provided any info on him. I would expect if signed he would start in the minors probably bottom 6 guy but I have never seen him play. Can he skate fast?.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I'm interested to see how this plays out for Calgary at the draft. There is some thought that Toronto is interested in trading down again at this draft. Now, Calgary's 1st pick of the draft at #105 is a long way to trade down but perhaps it works as part of a larger deal? Hamilton might need to be involved in something like that. I think Toronto covets a guy like Dougie and they should. He represents a big missing piece for that team IMO. Brodie to a lesser extent. Stone somewhat?

Calgary must get a forward back along with the 1st rounder. Marner too much? Kapanen not enough? Is Nylander a possibility? I don't know but I see them as a good fit to do a deal with Calgary. Of course there are other teams that would need/want a Dman and could afford to move a RH forward. Columbus (Atkinson), Tampa (Johnson), Montreal (Gallagher, although maybe they need a C more than a defenceman).

It's going to get interesting now that the Finals have ended. Rasmus, in my mind, stays with the big club next season. I'm convinced that Treliving is going to move a defenceman. Whether or not it's in a huge deal or a smaller one is where the intrigue lies for me.

Dougie for Nylander and a 1st has been a trade I have had interest in since the season ended. Getting back in the first round is a bonus and getting a 22 year old right shot C/RW is the true prize.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I think people underestimate the huge hole that would be left in our roster if Hamilton was traded. Not only this season, but Giordano is 34.....

Picture our D with no Giordano or Hamilton in 4 seasons.

At this point I'd rather trade Giordano than Hamilton, strictly because of age.

A lot of rumors of "so and so is interested in Hamilton". No #### they are, he's a #2 D at the age of 24. We are lucky to have him.

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[theTrumanShow]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I'm interested to see how this plays out for Calgary at the draft. There is some thought that Toronto is interested in trading down again at this draft. Now, Calgary's 1st pick of the draft at #105 is a long way to trade down but perhaps it works as part of a larger deal? Hamilton might need to be involved in something like that. I think Toronto covets a guy like Dougie and they should. He represents a big missing piece for that team IMO. Brodie to a lesser extent. Stone somewhat?

Calgary must get a forward back along with the 1st rounder. Marner too much? Kapanen not enough? Is Nylander a possibility? I don't know but I see them as a good fit to do a deal with Calgary. Of course there are other teams that would need/want a Dman and could afford to move a RH forward. Columbus (Atkinson), Tampa (Johnson), Montreal (Gallagher, although maybe they need a C more than a defenceman).

It's going to get interesting now that the Finals have ended. Rasmus, in my mind, stays with the big club next season. I'm convinced that Treliving is going to move a defenceman. Whether or not it's in a huge deal or a smaller one is where the intrigue lies for me.

The trade that will happen is TJ Brodie to Ottawa as part of a package for Hoffman. If thats the case, I don't see Hamilton leaving as well.