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Old 02-23-2024, 03:29 PM   #13581
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"Mental decline"... lol. People need to get real. This guy is a trillion times more competent to do the job than the orange guy.
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Obama was a change candidate for a change election, and very little changed.
You mean other than 20 million people getting healthcare?

Like really? You didn't see the difference between Obama and Bush Jr.? Come on man.

I'd also argue having a black man in the Whitehouse was a pretty big deal. Although that clearly led to the rise of the far right and Birther Trump.
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"Mental decline"... lol. People need to get real. This guy is a trillion times more competent to do the job than the orange guy.
I wish he would have taken questions.

I get why his administration is trying to protect him - the 10 second NewsMax sound bytes of him stumbling over words plays well with the GOP base.

But if he is as competent as he seemed speaking there, it could put to rest a lot of the uncertainty he sees within his own party.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1761150066415325442

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You mean other than 20 million people getting healthcare?

Like really? You didn't see the difference between Obama and Bush Jr.? Come on man.

I'd also argue having a black man in the Whitehouse was a pretty big deal. Although that clearly led to the rise of the far right and Birther Trump.
That's fair, though it only happened because Dems had a supermajority at the time and they paid for it afterwards. Obama was instrumental but Congress had to do it.

And then they came within 1 vote of taking it away.

Obama was great, but the president can only do so much by themselves.
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"Mental decline"... lol. People need to get real. This guy is a trillion times more competent to do the job than the orange guy.
Biden was on Conan O'Brien's podcast not long ago. Yeah, he's old and we'd all like to see someone younger but it's pretty clear his faculties are intact. If that podcast is indication of 'mental decline', then I've got full blown dementia.
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I wish he would have taken questions.

I get why his administration is trying to protect him - the 10 second NewsMax sound bytes of him stumbling over words plays well with the GOP base.

But if he is as competent as he seemed speaking there, it could put to rest a lot of the uncertainty he sees within his own party.
How much of that stumbling over words is related to the fact he has a stutter, and for someone who does as much public speaking as he does, has done a really good job of dealing with it.
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The other obvious candidates do even worse vs Trump.

https://emersoncollegepolling.com/fe...ent-democrats/

"A new Emerson College Polling national survey on the potential 2024 presidential election reveals a tight race between former President Donald Trump and current President Biden, with 45% of voters favoring Trump, 44% supporting Biden, and 11% undecided. Support for both candidates has decreased by one point since the last national poll in January. In other hypothetical matchups, Trump leads with 46% against Vice President Kamala Harris’s 43% and California Governor Gavin Newsom’s 36%. Against Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Trump maintains a lead with 45% compared to Whitmer’s 33%, with 22% undecided."
I'm not sure this is fair because the other candidates really haven't been 'out there' to present themselves.

The Democrats would have to sink money into promoting them before they would rate higher.
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And the other annoying thing are the voters who pretend that spiting Biden because of Gaza is more important than preventing the emergence of the 4th Reich. They know better. Those of you know know the stakes here and are pretending not to know... cut it out. You know better.
lol.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1761089676461457842
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Didn't Trump move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem?? That's who she's voting for? My God, people are dumb.
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Didn't Trump move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem?? That's who she's voting for? My God, people are dumb.
Yikes, he really thinks the pain of Trump's return to the WH will be "short term"? That's a completely delusional take.
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I don’t think humanity survives 2025 if Trump wins
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Didn't Trump move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem?? That's who she's voting for? My God, people are dumb.
Just yesterday trump said it was him that made Isreal the capital of Isreal. No, really, thats what he said.

His civil fraud case damages were ordered today, 464 million. It increases by 110,000 per day if left unpaid. The DA hasnt ruled out asset seizure in order to collect. There was also something about him trying to change some of his business addresses to Fla ones, which isnt going to work.
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It’s not healthy when one party is bat sh-t crazy and endorses the Jewish space lazers and Inject bleach candidates. Even the “sane” ones wrap their guns in bibles like it’s normal

The Dems may be corporate shills and bloated government welfare pimps, but at least they aren’t team autocrat theocracy.

What does that have to do with democracy across the board? Only one side is ever suppose to win and that's just ok if it's your side?

It's healthy in democratic countries to have a shift in power across the different spectrums cause it gives people hope.

The same thing should apply in sports. Can't just be one team and one country that wins everything. Such now with the Stanley Cup and the US based teams. Realistically if Canada isn't going to win anything then I might as well give my hard earned money to other entertainment options.
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Another bafflingly bad take from curves2000.

SutterBrother, paraphrased: "The Democratic Party isn't perfect, but at least they're not openly advocating for dismantling democracy altogether in favour of autocratic theocracy."

curves2000: "What does that have to do with democracy across the board?"



Are you high on drugs, or...?
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What does that have to do with democracy across the board? Only one side is ever suppose to win and that's just ok if it's your side?

It's healthy in democratic countries to have a shift in power across the different spectrums cause it gives people hope.

The same thing should apply in sports. Can't just be one team and one country that wins everything. Such now with the Stanley Cup and the US based teams. Realistically if Canada isn't going to win anything then I might as well give my hard earned money to other entertainment options.
The Republican party doesn't believe in democracy, It supports Trump who doesn't and tried to overthrow the govt. There's no room for that in politics.
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Why would you want to give racists, bigots and generally ####ty people hope?
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Why would you want to give racists, bigots and generally ####ty people hope?
Because people without hope tend to drift towards authoritarians with fascist tendencies.

You also can't just pin Trump on racists. He's dented the Democrats' lead among working class blacks and Latinos in back to back elections.

I know Cliff has been beating this drum for years, but he's not completely wrong when he says that the issues that resonate with upper-class, educated voters are not the same as those that resonate with working class and under-educated voters.

The Democrats technically do more for those groups than the Republicans do, but their messaging is awful.
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Fox Host Cuts Away From Trump Speech to Debunk Election BS

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Fox News anchor Neil Cavuto corrected Donald Trump’s false claims about the 2020 election on Friday, cutting away from the former president’s campaign rally to remind viewers that the issue is settled after having been “adjudicated many, many times.”
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“We’re continuing the monitoring of the president’s remarks, and I mean no offense to him if some of you might want to continue hearing,” the Your World anchor began. “But I did have to say that even though the former president is entitled to his opinions, he’s not entitled to his own set of facts.”

Cavuto first addressed how Trump argued that the stock market is “doing well because the polls show we’re winning by a lot.”

“The market has indeed been going up, it having nothing to do with him and everything to do with this aggressive cut in interest rates—or there’s a hiking in interest rates that stabilized inflation,” Cavuto said.

“And of course, the whole artificial intelligence phenomenon that has benefited Nvidia and a host of companies that are making money hand over fist—so that, whether you want to give Biden credit for that, [it] has nothing to do with Donald Trump,” he added.
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“[Trump] went on to talk about the 2020 election and how that was rigged. This has been adjudicated many, many times—dozens of times. It’s been investigated by everyone and his uncle, no fewer than 44 investigations launched, some of them by judges that were picked by Donald Trump himself, that found no evidence of that in the seven battleground states where most of them were focused,” Cavuto said.

“Donald Trump lost each and every one of those states, and no facts—or no history that he mentions on the stump right now—will change that.”
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/fox-host-c...023632586.html
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LOL. I'm not certain of anything. But polls do matter and they've been accurate in predicting the popular vote winner. Clinton had a 3-3.5 point lead on Trump in the polling aggregates and ended up winning by 2.1%. She also consistently led in the polls all through 2016.

In 2020, Biden also consistently led in head to head polls all through 2020 and led by 7-8% in the polling aggregates before the election, eventually winning the popular vote by 4.5%.

So why is it outlandish to look at Biden being consistently behind in the polls for the last 6 months, as well as his historically bad approval rating for a re-election candidate, and think that Trump is probably favored to win? Given Biden's poor performance in swing states, he probably needs to win the popular vote by about 3-4 points to win the election, and right now he's down by about 2 points nationwide.
Mainly because this election is unprecedented in terms of how well known each candidate is. Polling this far out of an election historically has been non-predictive and the macro economic factors have been better at predicting 9 months out. This should favour Trump more though.

We also have a unique situation where the perception of the economy does not align with the performance of the economy so how does that skew the macro predictions.

We also have the election results which favour Biden.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/538/2024-...y?id=107369614

An interesting article discussing the issue.

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