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View Poll Results: Mayor Poll
Burrows, Craig 7 1.59%
Connelly, Joseph Patrick 3 0.68%
Devine, Bonnie 0 0%
Erskine, Barry 0 0%
Fech, Oscar 4 0.91%
Hawkesworth, Robert Andrew 1 0.23%
Higgins, Barbara Joan 51 11.59%
Hunter, Sandra Joan 0 0%
Johnston, Gary Fredrick 0 0%
Knight, Daniel 0 0%
Liu, Amanda 2 0.45%
Lord, Jon 5 1.14%
McIver, Richard William 64 14.55%
Nenshi, Naheed 299 67.95%
Stewart, Wayne 4 0.91%
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:21 AM   #1341
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Regarding the website: She didn't change her website, and Nenshi looked foolish even bringing it up. He wasn't even debating with her, he was just trying to belittle her. How could he debate when his platform was the same? If he really had great new ideas, why didn't he focus on any of them instead of semantics?

What the heck are you talking about? Nenshi's platform on sustainable development is not the same as Higgins... other than Higgins saying she supports Plan-It. Higgins: 60 jobs and people per hectar, completely omits any reference to true cost of development (again, this is that Financing Municipal Infrastructure report you should read). Nenshi: 70 jobs and people per hectare, make developers pay true cost for development. If Nenshi doesn't point out when other candidates contradict themselves who will? Of course, he's spent plenty of time explaining his own platform as well.

Regarding purple...you're even responding in purple! don't tempt me.

Tempt you to do what, exactly? Respond in blue? I need something to differentiate my text from yours. Purple is as good as any.


On consulting: It costs money, takes a long time, and you still end up with a bias. Just like Bronco heeded to developers, look at Nenshi's donor list..those are all people who want to charge huge consulting fees, and run overpriced social studies.

Yeah, Nenshi is running for mayor so he can hire consultants. Really?

On safe Cities: Higgins didn't say "Every". Nenshi's platform also includes overuse of the words "All", "Any", "Complete", and "Best". These words do not belong in a platform, especially platform titles. A platform is like a promise, and these words are all impossible to deliver on. They are, ultimately, guaranteed platform lies.

Alright then, consider it a goal. You like those. By the way, something can not be impossible without being concrete. Hmm...

As for substantiation, this is what you should be asking of Nenshi, not me.

No, you made a statement. If you can't defend it don't make it.

As for consolidating business taxes...three words: Harmonized Sales Tax. Secondly, he's using words that indicate he wants to raise those taxes.

Not at all analogous. HST only made taxes go up because things that were HST exempt but not GST exempt lost their HST exempt status.


As for the rest, now you're getting into his platform, which is really Ric's platform for the most part. It's okay but not great.

Even if Ric stole Nenshi's ideas (), that doesn't make them vague as you claim they are.
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This could go on endlessly, but of course it won't. I just have time to respond to one thing, and you can have the last word on the rest:


"Alright then, consider it a goal. You like those. By the way, something can not be impossible without being concrete. Hmm..."

If Nenshi's policies are not his platform, then He Has No Platform.

At the end of the day, that's the truth of it. Commentary does not make a leader.



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This could go on endlessly, but of course it won't. I just have time to respond to one thing, and you can have the last word on the rest:


"Alright then, consider it a goal. You like those. By the way, something can not be impossible without being concrete. Hmm..."

If Nenshi's policies are not his platform, then He Has No Platform.

At the end of the day, that's the truth of it. Commentary does not make a leader.
Well I look forward to seeing you around the boards when this election is over. Oh wait, I doubt Barb will keep you on the payroll when she is out looking for a job herself...

You might me right about 1 thing, this is a 2 horse race, I just think you are confused about who the horses are.
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As for the rest, now you're getting into his platform, which is really Ric's platform for the most part. It's okay but not great.
Are you for real? Quit cluttering up what used to be a great thread with this garbage.
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I am leaning towards Joe mainly because I think he's a hard-working Alderman for Ward 6. His policy statements are fairly generic but I think he would be a good representative for this city.

If polls are to be believed, he is unlikely to win, doubling the sadness, as he won't be back as Alderman for this ward. But we'll see how the day goes.
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Well this is it folks, an appropriate song for today:



Go Nenshi go!
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Well, time to put up or shut up. Should be an interesting result.
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Wow. tl;dr on that argument, but the purple text was a nice touch!
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I am down to those two; I am curious about Nenshi, but am concerned he may be too Liberal for my tastes. Basically I need to see if there is anything compelling about Nenshi, and if not I will be fine with McIver. Just trying to get some good comparisons between the 2, and am getting bogged down in the recent stuff about donor lists.
I got to say it sucks that our good little troll kinda buried your question.

In regards to the comparison between the two, I personally haven't seen an open comparison online that details their two platforms.

I would suggest having a look at this video of the top three candidates debating each spliced from all the mayoral forums though. As it'll probably give a greater understanding of which of McIver and Nenshi you trust to be mayor.

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/16...er-uses-c.html

I don't know your preferences, but what I find really interesting about Nenshi is that although he gets the tag of being a liberal professor, he's actually a more fiscally conservative businessman. He's not really about cutting taxes out right, but he is all about accountability and a more streamlined civic government.

Alot of his comments in the above debate clip ellude to that. Especially when he talks to the builders about how they need to be able to streamline the building process.

Anyways, I hope that helps.
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I know. 3.6% of eligible voters cast advance polls. Let's say 36% election turnout: 10% of voters have already cast their ballots. Amongst them: election day volunteers (of which Nenshi has many), students (polls at SAIT, MRU, U of C). I'd also guess that the advance polls have a higher share of wasted ballots (Hehr, Hawkesworth, Stewart, etc.) than the regular polls will.

You know what the other (older) polls putting Nenshi shows, when taken in conjunction with the Leger poll? Momentum.

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Nearly 23,800 residents have cast ballots at advance voting stations -- a figure 2 ½ times greater than in 2007, when there was less opportunity to vote before election day.

But history has shown little correlation between advance turnout and overall turnout, chief returning officer Barb Clifford said.


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Managed to talk my parents and my brother in law into voting for Nenshi, since I cant vote municipally, I feel I did my part for you Nenshi backers! Do I get a free car or something?
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I wonder if there will be crazy lineups at some polling stations today (say, in the after-work hours).
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Managed to talk my parents and my brother in law into voting for Nenshi, since I cant vote municipally, I feel I did my part for you Nenshi backers! Do I get a free car or something?
We'll see if we can get you a purple Hot Wheels car!
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General question. Am I allowed to not vote for school trustee?
If I vote for mayor and alderman and leave school trustee blank, will my ballot be thrown out?
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General question. Am I allowed to not vote for school trustee?
If I vote for mayor and alderman and leave school trustee blank, will my ballot be thrown out?
Each vote will have its own ballot. I won't be voting for a school trustee either, as I would rather let the people who will be impacted by that make a choice.
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I am leaning towards Joe mainly because I think he's a hard-working Alderman for Ward 6. His policy statements are fairly generic but I think he would be a good representative for this city.

If polls are to be believed, he is unlikely to win, doubling the sadness, as he won't be back as Alderman for this ward. But we'll see how the day goes.
You are more than welcome to vote for Connelly, that's your right.

Having met the guy, talked to him, and having close ties to people that have worked with him, he is nothing short of the most clueless guy on council/running for mayor. It's utterly shocking to me that he's still running.

There is a chance to bring in someone who's actually competent in ward 6, so you should be excited!
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I knew of Naheed Nenshi long before the election from his TEDxCalgary talk which I enjoyed (as one of my favorites from the event) and videotaped for the TEDx team. Because of this, early in his campaign he asked me to help create a platform video, which I was happy to help with. But I felt it was too early to decide who I’d be supporting (or if I would even get involved at all beyond voting).
Naheed Nenshi became my #1 choice shortly after the “We Should Know Naheed Nenshi” event on September 15, during which he fielded questions from a room full of not-yet-convinced voters. His answers conveyed a deep understanding of a bewildering array of civic (and bureaucratic) challenges, and he let me videotape every Q & A exchanged. He did this after I made it explicit to him, I was still undecided and was doing so for my own video blogging purposes, not for his campaign.
We're all aware how Bob Hawkesworth re-edited that footage in a misleading manner, as it provided a large stash of detailed policy discussion to pick from. The Nenshi campaign never asked me to take down the original, or alter it in any way. (It wouldn't have been very effective obviously, but this is a fact I never had to explain.)
What did not happen after that day, was that other candidates did not emerge with detailed policy proposals. It seemed no one else was even trying to convince me they understood how to reform Calgary’s bureaucracy. That they understood precisely why Calgary Transit is essential, and any sub-par performance on its part puts Calgary at a competitive disadvantage. That while our budget must be balanced, the bang-per-buck spent is more important than now many bucks.
Waste is the enemy. Wasted tax dollars. Wasted man-hours. The wasted intellectual capacity of city employees who don’t have an opportunity to improve their own processes.
So I volunteered to help the campaign, not just a good-luck-with-that platform video, but actually get involved. I have to say, if Nenshi can run Calgary as well as his campaign team have run their campaign, our city has some exciting times ahead.
The Nenshi campaign is described in the press as one that “employs social media” to market itself effectively. That is wrong. The campaign uses the internet to get stuff done in the manner any start-up would. That which can be delegated is delegated. That which can be crowdsourced is crowdsourced. Communication channels are always open. Initiatives are taken. Results shared. Lessons learned.
I never saw anyone lose their cool.
I never saw an opportunity that was missed because of a communications bottleneck or someone unwilling to make a decision.
I never saw a campaign dollar spent foolishly.
In short, this was how an organization should be run.
Monday, October 18 is election day. It is going to be a great day.
Please vote.
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I am leaning towards Joe mainly because I think he's a hard-working Alderman for Ward 6. His policy statements are fairly generic but I think he would be a good representative for this city.

If polls are to be believed, he is unlikely to win, doubling the sadness, as he won't be back as Alderman for this ward. But we'll see how the day goes.
Is there anyway your awesome wedding photographer can convince you to vote for Nenshi? Maybe a free 24x36 print if your favorite photo from the wedding?

I'm on roll right now by garnering at least 11 votes for Nenshi already so I may as well try for one more.
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Each vote will have its own ballot. I won't be voting for a school trustee either, as I would rather let the people who will be impacted by that make a choice.
I spoiled my school trustee ballot. I simply don't know enough about the candidates to make an informed choice. You can either leave it blank, draw all over it, etc. I just put a big "x" through the whole thing.
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