[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[taco.vidal]

I also wonder whether Treliving has been given a short leash. Brad may have been given one final shot to show success with the team he has assembled. If the team continues to disappoint next season then he may be shown the door. In that case ownership might be looking ahead to cleaning house, hiring a new GM and having that GM hire his own guy. Rather than letting Treliving hire another dud like Peters and then hamstringing the new GM if the team continues to falter.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Why change your MO?

Two years was quick and didn't require much work.

I've stated an opinion and I'm holding it.

GG is not the coach for this team.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Locke

I've stated an opinion and I'm holding it.

GG is not the coach for this team.

Yep I saw your in depth 1,2,3 work up.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Locke

I've stated an opinion and I'm holding it.

GG is not the coach for this team.

That is not the issue.

The issue is that you have forwarded a whole bunch of intuitions about what has happened and what is happening and then expressed exasperation at other who will not adopt these supporting opinions as obvious facts.

Stand by your opinion. But don't behave so incredulously towards others who identify it for what it is.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

If GlueGun is back, as a fan it makes me sick. Imagine how the Flames’ players must feel if they know they'll have to put up with seeing that face everyday next season. Would anyone else other than Mr. Powerplay Troy Brouwer be excitied about another year of GlueGun. I wouldnt be mad if Flames’ players requested trades to get away from GlueGun.

But what about the process?

[Racki]

The longer it goes the more likely it is that Gully returns. If the entire staff returns Treliving is gonna have to do one hell of a sell job to this disgruntled fan base.

Personally, I won't even be too worked up about it. Antipathy has kind of set in for me as it relates to the current goings on with this team. An indifferent fan base is the worst type of fan base for an ownership group - we appear to be headed in that direction.

[Locke]

nm

[zamler]

The Flames finished with 84 points and a -30 in goals. In a season where the expectation was at least sneaking into the playoffs and really were expected to get close to 100 points. What underlying numbers can make that look any better?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

It puts him in the position to hire someone else. A retread may not actually be the correct choice right now. Just because a vocal section of the fanbase demands a “proven NHL coach” doesn’t mean it’s the only possibility.

Definitely, but my point is that if you were the GM it puts you in a pretty risky spot if you fire GG without a potential candidate in place that you believe to be an improvement.

If all potentially available NHL coaches (the AV's, Sutter's, Trotz' etc) turn out to be unavailable, as a GM, would you not prefer to have a coach on the payroll rather than being forced to hire a rookie coach that you might not even be overly keen on? It's a safety net to keep GG right now, and I think it is a responsible decision.

[nik-]

Haven't even the fire GG stragglers gone deep on this and come to the conclusion that he's not the right coach? I thought we were past this.

Why are we circling back to deep diving some missing stats that will somehow say he's not a mediocre as hell coach?

11th in the conference, in a year where the GM pushed in a lot of chips, with a coach that can't adjust.

[zamler]

I'd rather take my chances on a rookie coach and a culture change than bring back GG.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by zamler

The Flames finished with 84 points and a -30 in goals. In a season where the expectation was at least sneaking into the playoffs and really were expected to get close to 100 points. What underlying numbers can make that look any better?

We're gonna have to dive real deep for this one.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

We're gonna have to dive real deep for this one.

Here's Bingo getting ready.

[Looch City]

The entire season boils down to 6 infamous words:

"We just weren't ready to compete."

I'm going to lose my mind if I hear that again next year.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It isn't realistic.
What we do is typically ask the person for some sense of who they know and how. But we don't have any ability to
- Confirm they actually do know the person
- Confirm if the person said that to them
- Confirm if that information is accurate

And there is no way for us to do any of that.
In journalism typically you need two sources at least to go with something. That's also not realistic here.

I don't think this is a site with a ton of rumors, and in the past, stuff has broken here. But if folks want this stuff to be held to a high standard, it likely means we simply don't have any of it. That doesn't feel right either.

So I would say you should largely decide for yourselves what is legit and what isn't. If someone is posting something that is clearly misleading or false we will remove it, but if we don't remove it - it certainly isn't some sort of explicit verification that its true.

Appreciate the breakdown, I knew for all the obvious reasons there's no validity for you to be able to confirm for certain that the PM'd info could be confirmed true or not. Just simply confirming the person had a source/avenue to be able to speak on a point with potential.

Now that I know you will remove any post that is misleading or false, I'm good with that as I legitimately didn't know that was the case.

[Bingo]

So that's three "deep dive" shots in 15 minutes.

Pretty classy guys.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The issue is that you have forwarded a whole bunch of intuitions about what has happened and what is happening and then expressed exasperation at other who will not adopt these supporting opinions as obvious facts.

What? Not OUR Locke??

Seriously though, I think it’s a problem that runs deep for some people. I understand and agree with some of the issues that people are pointing out re:Gulutzan, but the suggestion that some of these opinions are black and white or definitive fact is kind of crazy. It’s the same with the Brouwer point, you can point out why certain opinions aren’t that strong or show evidence they aren’t in line with reality, and posters just ignore it and keep holding them.

I get that people are upset, but some people have already chosen who they’re blaming for the lack of success and won’t let it go until that person is gone.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So that's three "deep dive" shots in 15 minutes.

Pretty classy guys.

I think the key is to stop saying deep dive as a counter to people who are frustrated and annoyed with this staff. No one cares about some mystery stat that ignores the results at this point. People are tired of it.

People want goals, and wins and a coach that can motivate a team and have them ready to play. Like it or not, pros or not, getting a team ready to go is part of the coach's job.

A lot of people are bored of deep diving stats that fly in the face of what really matters, and what they're seeing when they watch these boring games. They might have been interested in that three months ago, but it's over.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So that's three "deep dive" shots in 15 minutes.

Pretty classy guys.

You know their arguments are pretty thin when they are basically making fun of you for doing your homework and forming your opinion based on some actual facts and analysis, rather than on only feelings and intuition.

[Monahammer]

I would take a player coach over Gulutzan at this point. Hell I would be happier to pull an Oilers and hire Iggy as the coach. I will not be watching flames games next season if Gulu's still coaching the team, and I do not think I am alone in this.
This was one of the worst seasons I've experienced as a flames fan now in my late 20s. A lot of that came down to our nob of a coach saying things like (as zamler pointed out above) " we just weren't ready to play today"

What kind of answer is that? You can't go into work and tell your boss you just weren't ready for the meeting you had today and that's why you bungled the sale...