PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[GirlySports]

from the PC discussion earlier. there is too much of it. The Liberals have gone too far with identity politics to pander votes.

For the ID issue, people should go get one. Yes i understand they are poor and its inconvenient but it's once every 4 years. That effort is so worth it long term, they can vote, they can get a bank account so they don't have to cash their checks at instant places that rip them off.

OR instead of the Liberals fighting for non-existant things. Build a charity fund just for the price of IDs!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

But why should people get one? Even assuming they were totally free to get. What purpose is served by that requirement?

[CaptainCrunch]

Shouldn't people that didn't vote for Trump and America in general be happy that he's rolling back on his more extreme promises?

I've always said that Trump was a democrat in Republican clothing He's going to piss off his voter base, but I don't think he's going to care.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

from the PC discussion earlier. there is too much of it. The Liberals have gone too far with identity politics to pander votes.

For the ID issue, people should go get one. Yes i understand they are poor and its inconvenient but it's once every 4 years. That effort is so worth it long term, they can vote, they can get a bank account so they don't have to cash their checks at instant places that rip them off.

OR instead of the Liberals fighting for non-existant things. Build a charity fund just for the pice of IDs!

Wait.

Liberals should now be responsible for creating a charity to help pay for people to meet a new regulation which is meant to combat a issue that doesn't exist?

I am hardly anti-regulation but you really believe this is the right path forward?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

But why should people get one? Even assuming they were totally free to get. What purpose is served by that requirement?

Originally Posted by Kavvy

Wait.

Liberals should now be responsible for creating a charity to help pay for people to meet a new regulation which is meant to combat a issue that doesn't exist?

I am hardly anti-regulation but you really believe this is the right path forward?

sorry not liberal government, liberal people/volunteers. For the good of the black community for example.

it's not just for voting. Helping people get their papers and birth certificates in order is a good thing. Wouldn't we all donate to an initiative like that?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Well, no, I have a limited amount of money I can give to charity and I'd rather give it to, say, doctors without borders.

I just don't understand why you think this is necessary.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Well, no, I have a limited amount of money I can give to charity and I'd rather give it to, say, doctors without borders.

I just don't understand why you think this is necessary.

For the betterment of citizens in general, to not have to continual race/class divide. I don't know what anyone can do without an ID. Bad jobs, no bank accounts, no drivers licence, no passport. That's not even a person anymore.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

For the betterment of citizens in general, to not have to continual race/class divide. I don't know what anyone can do without an ID. Bad jobs, no bank accounts, no drivers licence, no passport. That's not even a person anymore.

Wow, you just figured out being poor sucks, eh?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Wow, you just figured out being poor sucks, eh?

of course it sucks, so there has to be a way to help them. and as has been said here, white people are poor too. Democrats never addressed them.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Seems like a weird thing to focus on if your intent is helping the poor. And I'm instantly skeptical about mandatory measures for the government to keep track of everyone - there's a reason we don't have laws requiring people to carry ID on them at all times. But if you want to make it free to get an ID, it would be pretty easy and not all that expensive for government to do, I'd bet.

[photon]

I don't think solution to systemic inequalities is to hope someone helps those with the short end of the stick. Especially if those inequalities are created or leveraged to help suppress a person's right to vote.

I don't know how you can say Democrats have never helped white poor people with a straight face.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by photon

I don't think solution to systemic inequalities is to hope someone helps those with the short end of the stick. Especially if those inequalities are created or leveraged to help suppress a person's right to vote.

I don't know how you can say Democrats have never helped white poor people with a straight face.

not from the rhetoric from the media. it's all race race race race.. we want a diverse america, race race race race.

have initiates that help everyone, then nobody will believe the nutbar Republican party.

There is too much fearmongering on both sides

Republicans: they are coming to take your guns
Democrats: they are deporting you

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Shouldn't people that didn't vote for Trump and America in general be happy that he's rolling back on his more extreme promises?

I've always said that Trump was a democrat in Republican clothing He's going to piss off his voter base, but I don't think he's going to care.

Donald Trump has exactly one goal in mind for his Presidency, and it's the same one he had in business or in any other facet of his life: To do anything possible to line the pockets of himself and those in his tax bracket, with little regard for ethics or side effects.

Whatever promises he can cash in on, he'll keep; the others, he won't.

[photon]

Well Trump actually did say they he going to deport people...

Race exists, and racism still exists. It'd be wonderful to live in a world where race wasn't an issue in our society, but we don't live in that world and ignoring it only helps perpetuate inequality not fix it.

Sometimes the media gets it right and only holds up a mirror so society can see itself. Sometimes it's manipulated to misrepresent what people see.

have initiates that help everyone, then nobody will believe the nutbar Republican party.

They do have initiatives that help everyone, Clinton proposed lots of them. How many people believed that vs. Trump saying falsely that Clinton was going to take their guns away? People aren't rational actors.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by photon

Well Trump actually did say they he going to deport people...

Race exists, and racism still exists. It'd be wonderful to live in a world where race wasn't an issue in our society, but we don't live in that world and ignoring it only helps perpetuate inequality not fix it.

Sometimes the media gets it right and only holds up a mirror so society can see itself. Sometimes it's manipulated to misrepresent what people see.



They do have initiatives that help everyone, Clinton proposed lots of them. How many people believed that vs. Trump saying falsely that Clinton was going to take their guns away? People aren't rational actors.

I'm far from a trump supporter but deporting people isn't racist.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I'm far from a trump supporter but deporting people isn't racist.

GirlySports said regarding fearmongering: Democrats: they are deporting you

I was saying that Trump actually did say that they were coming to deport you, it's not fearmongering to point out what they said they'd do.

But I agree the act of deporting itself, like most actions, is not implicitly racist.

[GirlySports]

i disagree. you can fix race issues without identifying them.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by photon

GirlySports said regarding fearmongering: Democrats: they are deporting you

I was saying that Trump actually did say that they were coming to deport you, it's not fearmongering to point out what they said they'd do.

But I agree the act of deporting itself, like most actions, is not implicitly racist.

Photon: he is deporting illegals. The fearmongering part comes in that there are Muslim and Hispanic AMERICAN CITIZENS who are scared for their lives.

[photon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

i disagree. you can fix race issues without identifying them.

By definition that cannot be true. If it isn't identified then whether it is fixed or not cannot be measured and the issue doesn't even exist.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by photon

By definition that cannot be true. If it isn't identified then whether it is fixed or not cannot be measured and the issue doesn't even exist.

my ID example. Let's say of the people who don't have ID, 70% of them happen to be black. You get IDs for 100% then the black problem is solved without identifying it. If you identify it, you solve the 70% and the other 30% are pissed.

Just make good policy for everyone and if it indirectly helps minorities, great!