[News] CalgaryNEXT Announcement. New arena details emerge.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I don't like the ticket tax comments: it's probably going to be coming from the city but they are calling it a ticket tax so average joe doesn't think its 450 million from the city. just my opinion.

The $250 million will be collected from ticket buyers. That's not just calling it a ticket tax, it IS a ticket tax. No building = no tickets; no tickets = no tax.

The fact of the matter is, the owners will charge for tickets whatever the market will bear. The market will not pay more simply because part of it is labelled as a tax. If you buy a $90 ticket with a $10 tax, you've spent $100. If the tax goes away, the owners charge $100 outright, because they already know people will pay that.

In effect, the owners will forgo part of their future revenue in exchange for financing up front. It's a way of putting a mortgage on the facility without calling it that.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

aka: Philips Arena in Atlanta:

Best experience watching a game live I ever had....roomy, bathrooms, site lines....beer lines.

But, to be fair....I had only been in the dome prior.

[polak]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

The arena concept is leaving confused:

Second bowl is above the 4 or 5 levels of suites I believe.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Funny, because when I hear the man talk, I hear mostly BS caked with folksy stories and platitudes. At the end of the day, he has been in charge of this project since 2007, yet all they were able to accomplish in that time is release a semi-cohesive vision that's very low on detail, and ignores important things like Bow trail being realigned. This is honestly where they should've been 2-3 years ago.

If they want the City involved, the sooner someone like CMLC can take over the better. East Village is how it's done right.

Ya, no kidding. This should have been set up with CMLC years ago and had CS&E just tell them how much area they need to do a complex like this. CMLC should have master planned the community first before CS&E comes out with a building proposal concept like this that's not even well thought out beyond it's internal contents.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Edmonton is a poster boy for that. 10 different kinds of premium seating. Reduced upper bowl that doesn't have any of the amenities Ie. cupholders, wider seats, etc.

If you aren't sitting in seats provided by a large corporation, your experience will be only marginally better in a new arena IMO.

Exactly. You eliminate the cheap seats

[Property Manager DB]

can't wait to see more proposed plan photographs!

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

This is a terrible idea. Wish they would have kept it simple.

Like an outdoor rink in Odgen?

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

if hardcore flames fans feel this way this could be trouble

lets just leave a toxic wasteland in the ground and save some taxpayer money

The City of Calgary has set up a West Village remediation plan to develop west village which would result in the remediation of the creosite land...

Also, KK never said the Flames would pay for the remediation. So the City/Prov are paying anyway

[greentree]

Not cynical. Just not impressed.
Calgarians, you are being sold a load of bunk today, from a slickster-hickster ad man.
The city can do better than this complicated, mish-mash utility concept. Pretty second rate. Thank goodness it's just a trial balloon.

[Ashasx]

I know they are crude renderings, but both the inside of the arena and fieldhouse look pretty dopey. Either the picture is exagerating the heights of the box seats or the top bowl will be worse than the Sportchek zone at the Dome.

Looks like they are trying to appease everyone and kind of get a jack of all trades building, master of none.

Just build a nice hockey arena and football stadium.

[Looch City]

Simple remediation solution:

Ship the creosote to Edmonton.

[getbak]

King's answer to the arena capacity question keeps going up. During the lunch hour session, it was 18,500 to 19,500. Now, it's 19,000 to 20,000.

At this rate, by the time it opens, it will be bigger than the Bell Centre.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I know they are crude renderings, but both the inside of the arena and fieldhouse look pretty dopey. Either the picture is exagerating the heights of the box seats or the top bowl will be worse than the Sportchek zone at the Dome.

Like you said, they're crude renderings.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Wow. A lot more opposition to this than I was expecting. I was against public funds but as soon as I heard the city would own it all then I did a complete 180

Don't use this board as your barometer.....lot of whiners in here who wouldn't have liked it unless KK personally delivered a cheque to their front door and told them the Flames were also footing the whole bill.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Simple remediation solution:

Ship the creosote to Edmonton.

Bonus: It would improve both cities.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The ownership thing is interesting but needs more details. Hillsborough County owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers football stadium, but the Bucs operate it and keep all the revenues associated (gate, concessions, parking etc...), and the county pays for stadium maintenance and upgrades. So if this is the same, where the city owns and the Flames operate, it's nowhere near as good a deal as it appears.

Wouldn't a team like that have lease payments and then the city would have expenses like repairs and interest on loans, but overall still make money?

I would imagine if a company operates there, its' like renting out commercial space, no?

[ScorchyScorch]

The arena concept looks like a mix of hockey arena seating and the staples centre during the oscars. Is that something to do with the "first of its kind" point and the mention of improved sightlines, and "upper bowl will be better"?

I care far more about details of the arena than the rest of the project and it sucks that there are merely crumbs right now for Flames fans specifically, who are being called on to pitch a good portion for this project.

I want details on this supposed revolutionary arena. We don't need pictures right now, but more informative details on the arena itself should've been shared with this, especially for something that's been worked on and under wraps for so long.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The $250 million will be collected from ticket buyers. That's not just calling it a ticket tax, it IS a ticket tax. No building = no tickets; no tickets = no tax.

The fact of the matter is, the owners will charge for tickets whatever the market will bear. The market will not pay more simply because part of it is labelled as a tax. If you buy a $90 ticket with a $10 tax, you've spent $100. If the tax goes away, the owners charge $100 outright, because they already know people will pay that.

In effect, the owners will forgo part of their future revenue in exchange for financing up front. It's a way of putting a mortgage on the facility without calling it that.

Who is putting up the money? The city? In Edmonton the city is putting it up. That's what I was asking. The money has to come from someone up front to be RECOUPED by a ticket tax.

I know what a ticket tax is thank you very much.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by dino7c

if hardcore flames fans feel this way this could be trouble

lets just leave a toxic wasteland in the ground and save some taxpayer money

Look at the poll results instead of listening to that crumpy gunt flappin' his gums.

[jlemire]

Originally Posted by getbak

King's answer to the arena capacity question keeps going up. During the lunch hour session, it was 18,500 to 19,500. Now, it's 19,000 to 20,000.

At this rate, by the time it opens, it will be bigger than the Bell Centre.

I've always thought of KK as a salesman.....