[Trade] Flames trade 15th OA, 45th OA, and 52nd OA for Dougie Hamilton

[Mightyfire89]

^^^Brought this to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP8JgQxXO8U

[SuperMatt18]

Oilers will be better. McDavid is a great talent.

Issue now is they have a shorter window to build a deep team.

If these moves all work out they will have to win before needing to give Reinhart, McDavid, and Nurse big contracts after their ELC expire.

It's not a coincidence that the Crosby Penguins won their only cup when they had Malkin, Staal, and Letang on their ELCs.

Also with the Hawks they won their first cup with Toews, Kane, and a cast of others on their ELCs and only shrewd management to retool allowed them to remain competitive and keep winning.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by VERVE

No, more like McDavid and the new crew will.

Okay McDavid is a stud, no point in arguing that. However, you stated that Hamilton was gifted to us by Boston as some sort of diabolical move by Boston to screw Edmonton, when actually it was a shrewd move by a GM to get a top young player for peanuts. You want to talk about gifting? How about the absolute dumpster fire your team is despite 3 #1 picks and then you miraculously get a 4th. Gross.

Also who is this new crew?

Talbot? The guy you has had a grand total of 57 NHL games playing behind one of the top defenses in the league. Sounds vaguely familiar. Oh right, that Scrivens guy who had nearly the same stats playing behind one of the top defenses in the league. How'd that work out?

Or are you talking about Reinhart? Slow footed Dman who couldn't crack the Islanders roster after 3 years and had a fantastically average season in the AHL last year. But yeah, he's got the same ceiling as Hamilton.

Maybe Gryba? A #6 stay at home Dman who pretty much every Ottawa fan out there said good riddance. But if there's anything Edmonton needs, it's bottom pairing Dmen.

Seriously, despite getting Gryba and Reinhart you've lost Petry and Marincin compared to last years D. That is a downgrade no matter how you look at it. You better pray Nurse or Reinhart take major developmental steps this year. You won't find anyone out there that doesn't rank Edmonton's defense as the worst in the league. By a mile.

Until the rest of the "all-star" forwards learn to give a crap about defense and back checking this team is going nowhere. But please continue telling us how next year is THE year. It's like an annual tradition now, 8 years and going strong.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

It's easier than you realize to slip into cap hell. Treliving has to be very careful that the Flames don't put themselves in that situation in 3-4 years time - might require some tough decisions. Fortunately I think the Flames have a good institutional memory on this and Treliving was used to managing in a tough budget scenario in Arizona.

Yep. There's extremely strong pressure on teams that think they're contenders to grab that last piece or two to take them over the top, and to do anything they can to retain their key players. That almost always means storing up cap problems for down the road. Staying out of cap hell in the wake of contending is the exception, not the norm.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I watch a lot of different sports and know of a lot of deluded fanbases. I'm convinced oilers fans are by far the most unrealistic and out of touch fans ever. Beats the Cowboys, Knicks and Arsenal fc by a wide margin. I don't know what I feel more ; disappointment that they got Connor or pity for the kid who is going into a high pressure environment with a few locker room cancers and team culture killers aka 1 way forwards like hall and yak. I think if there's any team in the NHL that can effectively lower the kids ceiling and potential its Edmonton. He will be expected to basically be the messiah for a team that needs the whole Christian trinity, Holy Ghost and Heavenly Father included to even have a chance at turning things around. One of the many things I love about what we've done in as an organization is take pressure off youngsters easing them into the lineup with bottom 6 minutes and tons of favorable offensive zone starts with our top pairing of d men behind them. Also brad always says he believes good teams are built from the crease out. Oilers have basically done the exact opposite.

It's always one more season of tanking to grab this one superstar kid to take us to the promise land. Well you now have added another top prospect a few bottom pairing d a slow skating defenseman with a stagnant devolpment curve and a back up goalie while giving up your best defenseman to mtl where he looked great and your goalie from last year finished as a vezna finalist when put on teams that play defense, have NHL experience and hustle and letting go of marincin..Your team got worse and the rest of the league got better..especially the west San Jose and Dallas and Colorado will be better. But since Edmonton has this poor kid now they are set ?

It's amazing how the flames and oilers have literally built completely opposite cultures and principles

[Dion]

“It was surprising,” said one NHL assistant GM. “It’s obvious there’s something going on that we don’t know about. From what I’ve heard behind the scenes, his teammates don’t like him. I heard he’s a loner and sort of an uppity kid, and that his teammates don’t like him and it was unanimous.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/b...han_impressive

[JurassicTunga12]

So, I guess sometime tomorrow is looking like the day we will sign him?

[Hackey]

I'm glad Edmonton is looking better. Hopefully the battle of Alberta actually means something again. Meeting up in the playoffs will be pretty awesome.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'm glad Edmonton is looking better. Hopefully the battle of Alberta actually means something again. Meeting up in the playoffs will be pretty awesome.

Meeting in the playoffs would be fun. Unfortunately, the Oilers—despite making some significant improvements—are still years away, and realistically may never get back in a meaningful way while the Flames' window is open.

[shniper]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'm glad Edmonton is looking better. Hopefully the battle of Alberta actually means something again. Meeting up in the playoffs will be pretty awesome.

I'm on the fence with this. While it is exciting to watch bitter rivals have close games multiple times a season, I still love watching the Flames absolutely crush the Oilers time and time again. All it's going to take, is one season of the Oilers finishing in the top 16, and their fans will be just like they were 6 years ago. Probably even worse than before.

I'm going to miss the schadenfreude if the Oilers get out of the basement. I guess there's always the Canucks though!

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Meeting in the playoffs would be fun. Unfortunately, the Oilers—despite making some significant improvements—are still years away, and realistically may never get back in a meaningful way while the Flames' window is open.

That's a pretty bold statement

[DomeFoam]

Edmonton looks better every summer, but winter is coming.

[Da_Chief]

No one except A A Ron Ward thought we'd make the playoffs last year. Everything had to go right for us and it did; we just snuck in.

Everything has to be perfect for Coilers to make it in, I don't think it will.

[SHOGUN]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

No one except A A Ron Ward thought we'd make the playoffs last year. Everything had to go right for us and it did; we just snuck in.

Everything has to be perfect for Coilers to make it in, I don't think it will.

Talbot is still a mystery box imo... he could play like a god, and the Oilers could slip in... but I highly doubt it considering there are so many competitive teams in the west and the fact that Oilers defence is god awful. Mark Fayne is their best defencemen....

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

No one except A A Ron Ward thought we'd make the playoffs last year. Everything had to go right for us and it did; we just snuck in.

Everything has to be perfect for Coilers to make it in, I don't think it will.

I'm pretty sure things have gone perfect for the oilers in 4 of the last 6 seasons. That franchise has made it clear that getting the #1 pick is prize for the year and even when they've screwed up doing that, they'd still get rewarded the top pick.

bonus marks for the A-A-Ron part. My wife's grandmother's name is Jay-Quillen and everyone laughs when I call her that.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'm glad Edmonton is looking better. Hopefully the battle of Alberta actually means something again. Meeting up in the playoffs will be pretty awesome.

I enjoyed the last 9 years when they missed the playoffs, especially last year. Not sure it gets better than that.

[CubicleGeek]

Originally Posted by SHOGUN

Talbot is still a mystery box imo... he could play like a god, and the Oilers could slip in... but I highly doubt it considering there are so many competitive teams in the west and the fact that Oilers defence is god awful. Mark Fayne is their best defencemen....

This. We'll see how much of Cam Talbot's season was due to Cam Talbot and how much of it was due to playing behind on of the top 3 D-core in the league.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

So, I guess sometime tomorrow is looking like the day we will sign him?

Not necessarily.

Sure the Oilers or a couple other teams could offer sheet him, but I seriously doubt that happens as Calgary has as much cap space as anyone, and Hamilton would have to actually sign an offer sheet which im not sure he intends to do.

His agent is Calgary based J P Barry IIRC, so both sides will want to get something done that works for both sides....it just doesn't have to be right away.

[ah123]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not necessarily.

Sure the Oilers or a couple other teams could offer sheet him, but I seriously doubt that happens as Calgary has as much cap space as anyone, and Hamilton would have to actually sign an offer sheet which im not sure he intends to do.

His agent is Calgary based J P Barry IIRC, so both sides will want to get something done that works for both sides....it just doesn't have to be right away.

My fear is that someone might throw an offer sheet which will mess up with Flames' cap in future years; something like a 2 year deal, first year 4M, second year 9M. This would mean that the Flames would have to qualify him at 9M after the second year.

[skudr248]

Originally Posted by ah123

My fear is that someone might throw an offer sheet which will mess up with Flames' cap in future years; something like a 2 year deal, first year 4M, second year 9M. This would mean that the Flames would have to qualify him at 9M after the second year.

So would every other team though..