This US supports ISIS tinfoil hat #### is getting out of hand.
The US is most certainly partially responsible for the conditions that led to ISIS. They are inadvertently responsible for providing ISIS with a fraction of their arms and training.
To say that the US purposely created ISIS or is commanding ISIS in a proxy war against Russia is absolutely absurd.
I of ten wonder if its a lack of intelligence or just purposeful ignorance that leads to these conclusions. It took the intersection of thousands of conditions and events to create a group like ISIS. To break it down into the US=ISIS is just flat out weird. I also don't get how Russia is being cast as the good guys, while when the US bombs the crap out of a country its imperialism.
The only reason Russia is in Syria is prop up their puppet dictator and regain control of the oil fields in the east of the country. Russia's methods are also far more brutal than the US's. The US is far from perfect and responsible for all sorts of collateral damage. However, Russia just doesn't care about collateral damage and actively use it in their strategy.
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Isn't "ISIS" more or less an association of factions that have pledged allegiance to a common cause (i.e., the creation of a caliphate from India to Spain)? Certainly there are factions within ISIS that can be connected to the U.S., but that doesn't mean they created it. It's the creation of an ideology that has existed for 1200 years.
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Isn't "ISIS" more or less an association of factions that have pledged allegiance to a common cause (i.e., the creation of a caliphate from India to Spain)? Certainly there are factions within ISIS that can be connected to the U.S., but that doesn't mean they created it. It's the creation of an ideology that has existed for 1200 years.
From what I'm reading ISIS is actually quite cohesive and very vigilant about keeping people in line and eliminating competing Islamist groups. Whenever ISIS enters a new area, they force the local militants to pledge allegiance and conform to their unique interpretation of what a caliphate is. This is what differentiates them from Al-Qaeda, who are really now just a bunch of splinter groups running amok.
What's weird is if you look at a lot of the suspected ISIS leadership, they are former senior members of the Ba'ath party that ran Iraq with Sadaam.
Those guys don't strike me as hardcore devout radical Muslims, those guys were so Westernized into terms of boozing broads and ummm drugs that it was crazy.
I'm amazed they've lasted this long, but ISIS is almost like a jobs creation program for a fallen government.
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So how'd they get their weapons and training? Why can't the US expunge them when it's taken Russia all of a week to put them in retreat. Hmmmm.
There were multiple sources for weapons, you are trying to simplify things to support a bizarre conspiracy theory.
1) Remember ISIS had control of the Oil Fields and were pumping Oil like crazy and selling it outside of the international markets via smuggling and selling into Iran, Turkey, Syria (Yes) and others. They also made a fortune sacking Mosul. At one time estimates of ISIS wealth were in the 900 million mark, and most of that was in hard currency. The International Weapons market is huge, The Russians, Chinese, India, Pakistan and even South African are all selling weapons for hard currency.
2) Again going back to ISIS being like a major pack rat, a lot of the American arms and artillary pieces came from the retreating reconstituted Iraqi Military who dropped weapons and fled, some of it came from rebel groups that the Americans were working with that suddenly turned coats and joined ISIS.
3) State Sponsership there are Middle Eastern Countries that were or are quietly supporting ISIS and smuggling arms to them, again see above in exchange for currency or oil.
As for the training, again the US trained rebel groups that turned coats and joined ISIS, that's different then an accusation that the Americans trained ISIS. On top of that in terms of training, there's really not that much, ISIS fights like a Zerg rush because they recruit morons, give them rifles and grenades and point at the enemy and say, see you in paradise.
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So how'd they get their weapons and training? Why can't the US expunge them when it's taken Russia all of a week to put them in retreat. Hmmmm.
Because and I'm going to get the Obama Derp, but lets compare the strategies, the NATO strategy in terms of fighting this group have been half a%%%ed and poorly conceived and weak, with an eye on public relations, "we're doing stuff, but we don't want to butcher them"
Putin is going to try to kill everyone, and throw the kitchen sink at the ashes.
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I think the Russians see this as an opportunity to ease the sanctions from Ukraine and prop up Assad to keep their interests safe in Syria. I think ISIS needs to be eradicated and I have no problems with the Russians doing it.
