2013/14 General Heat Discussion Thread

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by RFP

Not so sure I would take that to the bank. With Burke, a trade would be the best thing for Swen, players who have played for him in the past when either traded or having Burke fired have flourished.

On another note how would you like your team getting off of the bus looking like Burke in todays press conference.

He's not trading a first round pick 50 games into his NHL career who, in Burke's own words, has gotten better since he was called out. He's not ready for the NHL yet. He needs seasoning in the AHL. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[TheDebaser]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

I don't know his exact words, but I'm sure he said a couple months ago something to the effect that there is help on the way. I think he'd said that when he was with the Ducks that he'd seen the Heat play and came to that conclusion. I'll check 960's audio to see for sure. If they still have it.

Well then this whole conversation has been downright stupid. Ferland, Granlund, Ortio, Knight weren't on the heat then and Hanowski barely played.

Last year we really didn't have any real prospects on the heat. (Byron and Jones are making a bit of a case for themselves though.)

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

Well then this whole conversation has been downright stupid. Ferland, Granlund, Ortio, Knight weren't on the heat then and Hanowski barely played.

Last year we really didn't have any real prospects on the heat. (Byron and Jones are making a bit of a case for themselves though.)

Horak, Baertschi and Reinhart were all "real" prospects on the Heat last year. Hell, you could throw Brodie into that list as well since he spent a good amount of time down there too.

[TheDebaser]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Horak, Baertschi and Reinhart were all "real" prospects on the Heat last year. Hell, you could throw Brodie into that list as well since he spent a good amount of time down there too.

I'll give you Horak and Reinhart, but I don't think Burke was talking about the heat with Baertschi and Brodie.

If anything, that just says that Burke wasn't high on Horak or Reinhart.

[Drury18]

I don't think the Horak thing comes as a shock to me as he would have been one of the first trades under the Burke/Feaster regime. You could tell by the moves being made closer to the start of the season that his spot was being squeezed out by more Burke like players. Horak was stepping up huge in prospect and training camp and he was still somehow getting buried. Still don't agree with it, I think we will come to regret this trade, but it is what it is. Hopefully he signs with a team better suited to him then the Oilers because I think they will do the same to him and he is a hell of a player.

Reinhart I think Burke will learn to love. Or Conroy will someone convince him to learn to love him because Conroy is pretty high on him. I think if Max starts playing the more "truculent" game, or at least throwing the body around a little more, Burke will fall in love with him. He can be a dirty player and he can be that 3rd line grind line sort of centre.

[Wastedyouth]

Burke doesn't just trade away prospects willy nilly. In fact, he barely moves any prospects that have any NHL ceiling. So don't count on him trading anyone away, especially Baertschi.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Wow... I really hate GMs acting like coaches. Im sure Burke knows how to build a team.. but it seems like he wants not only to choose who plays for the flames - but subsequently how they play and as a result the style the flames play. I think this should be decided by the strengths and weaknesses of the best players currently in the system + the best coming through / line combos / coaching philosophy / players about to be dragfted / signed by us.

Every team in the NHL is going for truculent players. I just hope we dont miss out on some Gaudreau's in the draft because we are looking for some Colton Orr type players..Or decide we have to play dump and chase because we are big - instead of getting more skilled as a team first and foremost, while still looking to add size and retain our hard working and skating baased style.

Hope we dont end up with a team full of Breens and Orrs. I would still like some Kris Russel / Jiri Hudler type players who are great with the puck but maybe not as truculent and also a team identity outside of hitting, being big and truculence.

[TheDebaser]

Well first of all, what actually happened here?

When feaster was fired, Baertschi was sent down.

Does that mean that A) Feaster kept Baertschi up against the wishes of the coaching staff or B) Burke has some kind of weird vandetta against Baertschi.

Why is everyone in such a hurry to assume the latter?

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

New Granlund feature article: http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=696219

"I'd like to think that I've been a big help," said Ortio on a less jocular note. "I had no one when I came over. I didn't have an issue with the language like he does. He's gotten a lot better though, but obviously he still needs to do some work with that. It's just every day things like how to get around in the city, help him get his own place. I'd like to think I've been helping him a lot."

The Heat's starting netminder knows exactly what Granlund is going through, which is why he's more than willing to help him.

"It's tough. You don't know any of the guys, you don't know the 'D', you don't know how everything works. I mean, it can be tough. For me it was good because I spent about a month here that previous year, so at the end of the year I just tried to get to know the guys, get to know the organization. So that probably helped me a little bit. But it's all new. Everything's brand new when you get here. You got to figure it out from scratch, so it can be very tough."

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

Well first of all, what actually happened here?

When feaster was fired, Baertschi was sent down.

Does that mean that A) Feaster kept Baertschi up against the wishes of the coaching staff or B) Burke has some kind of weird vandetta against Baertschi.

Why is everyone in such a hurry to assume the latter?

Baertschi should not have made the team out of training camp this year. Period. His place was in the AHL and it took far too long to put him back there. His attitude and work ethic through prospect camp and training camp showed he had no place on the Flames. I'm guessing Feaster was "forcing" Hartley's hand in this and now he's not.

I think I'm in the minority where I believe this is the best decision for Baertschi and the Flames.

[GreenLantern]

Man Ortio's numbers are nuts.. I was looking into it at AHL.com:

GAA - 10th
Save % - 8th
Wins - 2nd
Shut outs - 18th

I thought this was interesting as well, Jones who is currently lighting it up for the Kings compared to Ortio:

Martin Jones 2.24 GAA 0.927 Save % - GP 13 = 9-2-2
Joni Ortio 2.26 GAA 0.923 Save & - GP 13 = 12-1-0

Obviously the NHL is a different beast altogether... and Jones is just playing damn hot up there right now.. but still thought it was a very interesting comparison with how close their numbers are.

Also currently rated far ahead of golden child John Gibson (8 less GP, ranked 18th overall for GAA).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

Well first of all, what actually happened here?

When feaster was fired, Baertschi was sent down.

Does that mean that A) Feaster kept Baertschi up against the wishes of the coaching staff or B) Burke has some kind of weird vandetta against Baertschi.

Why is everyone in such a hurry to assume the latter?

or C) Glencross came back from injury

[thymebalm]

After you've read Pierre's article in Granlund you can wander over to HeatHoceyHQ and check out my musings on Paul Bunyan Byron and his recent call up.

http://heathockey.wordpress.com/2013...ng-paul-byron/

Thanks guys.

[thymebalm]

David Eddy recalled from Alaska Aces today.

http://heathockey.wordpress.com/2013...m-alaska-aces/

[RFP]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

David Eddy recalled from Alaska Aces today.

http://heathockey.wordpress.com/2013...m-alaska-aces/

There's some Calgary influence, there are a few guys Ward has a very strong disike for....Eddy's one of them. Hopefully he doesn't become a practice player like Breen in Calgary, Eddy has a lot to offer if given the chance.

[Da_Chief]

^ Would really like to know who you are. PM me plz.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by RFP

There's some Calgary influence, there are a few guys Ward has a very strong disike for....Eddy's one of them. Hopefully he doesn't become a practice player like Breen in Calgary, Eddy has a lot to offer if given the chance.

Or maybe Eddy isn't all that good

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Drury18

I think I'm in the minority where I believe this is the best decision for Baertschi and the Flames.

I agree this is what is best for Sven. Go down and dominate on a dominating team which is comprised of mostly players in his age group.

I think I'm in the minority where I believe Baertschi is still a cornerstone piece for this franchise.

So many ppl are ready to trade the 21 year old its ridiculous.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

^ Would really like to know who you are. PM me plz.

I would also like to know

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Baertschi should not have made the team out of training camp this year. Period. His place was in the AHL and it took far too long to put him back there. His attitude and work ethic through prospect camp and training camp showed he had no place on the Flames. I'm guessing Feaster was "forcing" Hartley's hand in this and now he's not.

I think I'm in the minority where I believe this is the best decision for Baertschi and the Flames.

Yeah when I watched him in Penticton, he looked like he felt he was entitled and didn't need to prove anything. He was reportedly the same in the rookie camps and seemed to step up a little as the Flames got serious but he's too young and untested to think he's guaranteed of anything. Anyways it's a common mistake of youth and he should come out of this all the stronger.