Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, guaranteed the unions would have preferred separate shutdowns

The writing was on the wall back in February that these companies were wanting this outcome. They don’t appear to be too concerned about the ramifications of how simultaneous strikes will impact the country.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

It may be helpful for you to head down to one of the picket lines to ask these conductors what their scheduling is like. Having more employees available so that a company doesn’t need to rely on having people come in on their days off at overtime rates wouldn’t result in needing extra infrastructure, it would actually save the company money on labour costs since they’d be paying them at regular time instead of double time. Conductors being worked to the point of exhaustion should be concerning to all Canadians since these trains are being operated in our communities.

That’s not what I was disagreeing with. It was the idea that more employees is an easy thing that the railroads would agree to because it would increase service levels and move more freight. I don’t think the union is asking for something ridiculous in wanting more employees but I also don’t buy it would save the railroads money or else they would already be doing it.

I’m not a railroad advocate but they have the strongest bargaining positions of any private company in Canada and I’m not holding my breath for a wholesale change in management philosophy. They will let the government do their dirty work before agreeing to anything they really don’t want to agree to.

[JackJack]

It's over. Feds ordering binding legislation.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by JackJack

It's over. Feds ordering binding legislation.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by JackJack

It's over. Feds ordering binding legislation.

Trudeau is the man

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by JackJack

It's over. Feds ordering binding legislation.

Where are you seeing this?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Trudeau is the man

Interesting how the Conservatives played this one, I think it will bite them at some point in the future

[JackJack]

Heard internally about 30 minutes ago. But should be getting picked up by the media outlets anytime now...

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Where are you seeing this?

We got the heads up about an hour ago it was a 99% chance of getting done this afternoon and it just hit.

https://apnews.com/article/canada-ra...735c10560602d3

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That’s not what I was disagreeing with. It was the idea that more employees is an easy thing that the railroads would agree to because it would increase service levels and move more freight. I don’t think the union is asking for something ridiculous in wanting more employees but I also don’t buy it would save the railroads money or else they would already be doing it.

I think retention is the biggest issue there. It’s a hard job and people are overworked, so while I agree the companies would already be doing it they’re not doing themselves any favours by keeping status quo on the workload. It’s perpetuating the problem.

[PepsiFree]

I knew this was Trudeau’s fault good doing

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I think retention is the biggest issue there. It’s a hard job and people are overworked, so while I agree the companies would already be doing it they’re not doing themselves any favours by keeping status quo on the workload. It’s perpetuating the problem.

Yup, it’s also pretty hard to staff in rural areas in general. I wouldn’t want to be a conductor, hopefully they don’t get screwed.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I knew this was Trudeau’s fault good doing

lol watching the hardcore PP supporters try in the office try to spin this as Trudeau failing is funny.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol watching the hardcore PP supporters try in the office try to spin this as Trudeau failing is funny.

Maybe ask if theyd be ok using stock images from other countries to help themselves spin it?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Bonded

We got the heads up about an hour ago it was a 99% chance of getting done this afternoon and it just hit.

https://apnews.com/article/canada-ra...735c10560602d3

Unless this ends up being another westjet mechanics situation where they are being ordered to arbitration but no back to work, the liberals can kiss what little of the labour vote they had left goodbye.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Unless this ends up being another westjet mechanics situation where they are being ordered to arbitration but no back to work, the liberals can kiss what little of the labour vote they had left goodbye.

Nope, back to work is definitely part of it. Trains will be rolling unless the unions refuse to show up, I am not really sure how that one plays out in this situation though. Sounds like old contract stands until a new one is sorted out.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Nope, back to work is definitely part of it. Trains will be rolling unless the unions refuse to show up, I am not really sure how that one plays out in this situation though.

That’s what westjet thought too, it all depends on what the CIRB orders.

Sounds like old contract stands until a new one is sorted out.

Yeah the old contract should continue to remain in effect.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I knew this was Trudeau’s fault

Originally Posted by The Fonz

And Singh.

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Trudeau can't force anyone into binding arbitration or legislate anyone back to work without his government falling. Singh holds all the cards here.

Originally Posted by Bonded

So you want more government intervention in the private sector?

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Trudeau is the man

Originally Posted by Bonded

Interesting how the Conservatives played this one, I think it will bite them at some point in the future

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I knew this was Trudeau’s fault good doing

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol watching the hardcore PP supporters try in the office try to spin this as Trudeau failing is funny.

You guys are hilarious. As the wind blows.

Did Conservatives even make a statement? I can't find one though their stance as it was with Westjet is they would favour back to work legislation and I don't expect they would change here. Seemed like the smart move to hold back comments in this case.

Liberals did what was needed considering the significant impact.

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Unless this ends up being another westjet mechanics situation where they are being ordered to arbitration but no back to work, the liberals can kiss what little of the labour vote they had left goodbye.

The westjet mechanics had a loophole they had to use available to them where they could legally still strike. Not sure if this is the same case as the ordering back to work appears to be part of the order (one of the likely reasons Seamus O'Regan 'stepped down')

I am in agreement. It's very much a lose lose situation for the Liberals or any governing party. This is the better of the two options if looking at the better overall solution. Sitting back and eventually doing the same thing in the end with several days of interruptions would be worse.

[Bonded]

https://www.realagriculture.com/2024...lway-shutdown/


A quick ruling from CIRB implies they know already have their answer IMO

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Firebot

You guys are hilarious. As the wind blows.
Did Conservatives even make a statement? I can't find one though their stance as it was with Westjet is they would favour back to work legislation and I don't expect they would change here. Seemed like the smart move to hold back comments in this case.

That is the misstep on their part IMO. The part of business, ag, and oil not making a statement will bite them at some point. It will be future fodder, won't change much on this election cycle.