2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Husky]

The leafs need a cost controlled asset to help with their cap mess.

Gadreau for Marner plus.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Husky

The leafs need a cost controlled asset to help with their cap mess.

Gadreau for Marner plus.

The plus would be on the other side, my friend. It would probably be Gaudreau and Valimaki for Marner.

[Husky]

Conolly would be a good add if the flames didnt have depth but witu magipane, dube, possible jankowski looking for more icetime then a conolly takes away icetime for young depth. The flames need a legit top 6 winger with upside.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The plus would be on the other side, my friend. It would probably be Gaudreau and Valimaki for Marner.

Agreed on the location of the plus, but your proposal is excessive.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Agreed on the location of the plus, but your proposal is excessive.

Is it? The Leafs have no reason at all to trade Marner. He's probably the last guy on that team they're even thinking of trading, depending on how they value Matthews. Marner kills penalties, plays on the PP, and is four years younger than Johnny, but he produces as much now (and far more than Johnny did when he was 21).

The Leafs would have the majority of the leverage in trade discussions. Valimaki is a good prospect, but there is a definite (and reasonably large) gap in value between Gaudreau and Marner. Dube isn't getting it done and Kylington probably wouldn't either. Toronto would be a vastly different team without Marner -- their window would be completely different and they would lose a lot of public faith after Dubas repeatedly declared he'd do all he could to keep all of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander. They'd need a huge overpay to part with #16.

[btimbit]

I know it's been beaten to death, but the Leafs trading Kadri makes the most sense out of all the guys they can move to clear salary. Plus they really need depth so moving him in return for 2 or 3 minor pieces might actually make a little sense

[Kybb79]

It would be hard to get value for Johnny after his recent showing against Colorado. Johnny is not worth Marner.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

It would be hard to get value for Johnny after his recent showing against Colorado. Johnny is not worth Marner.

Completely disagree. That means tampa bays top players are worthless

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Husky

Completely disagree. That means tampa bays top players are worthless

That's bit of a leap you just made there.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Husky

Completely disagree. That means tampa bays top players are worthless

Columbus is a very good team. The Avs are not.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Columbus is a very good team. The Avs are not.

The avs had a goalie on fire and a top line that is one of the best in the league and plays almost half the game. People forget the avs have had amaxing stretches the last 2 seasons where they were near top in league standings before injuries or cooling off

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Columbus is a very good team. The Avs are not.

The Avalanche are a pretty good team. Not sure how you could say otherwise.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

It would be hard to get value for Johnny after his recent showing against Colorado. Johnny is not worth Marner.

Marner had less points in the regular season and while better in the playoffs he still had 2 goals in 7 games. Nothing spectacular.

Johnny will cost about half the cap space

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So Monahan is about 5 tiers below these guys.

Flames have not had any players of the caliber you mention, but their greatest players certainly have been appreciated IMO.

I still think they would have been criticized. Lemieux wad big but he didn't crysh players and people would be complaining that we could be so much better if he did so.

Orr was injured too much.

Gretzky was small and shifty but he needs to be bigger so he can take a check.

Etc. Etc. I feel that we find reasons to harp on players and some people stick to it a little too much.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

aka, winning a few playoff rounds every decade.
What unrealistic fans we are

So is Monahan the reason we lost? He's been picked out by a very small select few, even when things were sailing, and then the entire team went into cruise mode and the Monahan naysayers multiplied.

He needs to step up, I'm not denying that. So did Giordano who went from beast mode to adequate mode. Where are his detractors? Be patient they're coming.

I get it. Lack of playoff success sucks. It hurts. Badly. I'm not sure I want to be a fan of any team anymore because I'm tired of the dejection. I love hockey so much and the Flames are my team but another part of the dejection is seeing fans dismantle players, sometimes a little too needlessly because they're mad and they want instant change. Too many people have no patience and expect instant gratification. Monahan will forever be tainted now. I'm going to grow sick of it. Well I already have because it's going to be a long haul until next year's playoffs are over or until he is traded.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Marner had less points in the regular season and while better in the playoffs he still had 2 goals in 7 games. Nothing spectacular.

Johnny will cost about half the cap space

Mitch Marner is 21 and had 95 points.

When Johnny was 21, he was playing his rookie season and scored 64 points.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Buff

I still think they would have been criticized. Lemieux wad big but he didn't crysh players and people would be complaining that we could be so much better if he did so.

Orr was injured too much.

Gretzky was small and shifty but he needs to be bigger so he can take a check.

Etc. Etc. I feel that we find reasons to harp on players and some people stick to it a little too much.

lol

[I]Lemieux scored 16 goals and 28 assists for the playoff lead, and led the Penguins over the Minnesota North Stars for their first Stanley Cup.[21] Lemieux won the Conn Smythe Trophy as the playoffs' most valuable player. His 44 playoff points rank second only to Wayne Gretzky's 47 in 1984–85.

Originally Posted by Buff

So is Monahan the reason we lost? He's been picked out by a very small select few, even when things were sailing, and then the entire team went into cruise mode and the Monahan naysayers multiplied.

He needs to step up, I'm not denying that. So did Giordano who went from beast mode to adequate mode. Where are his detractors? Be patient they're coming.

I get it. Lack of playoff success sucks. It hurts. Badly. I'm not sure I want to be a fan of any team anymore because I'm tired of the dejection. I love hockey so much and the Flames are my team but another part of the dejection is seeing fans dismantle players, sometimes a little too needlessly because they're mad and they want instant change. Too many people have no patience and expect instant gratification. Monahan will forever be tainted now. I'm going to grow sick of it. Well I already have because it's going to be a long haul until next year's playoffs are over or until he is traded.

Monahan is a fine player, but there's absolutely question marks around his playoff abilities where teams play a different game. If he and Gaudreau can't produce in those conditions than it doesn't matter how good they are in the regular season, we will need to get players who can or start the rebuild over.

That is a very serious issue to be contemplating in a hockey mad market. I'd say maybe the issue is that you're not really built to be discussing a professional hockey team in Canada on a message board when things go bad?

And that's not a shot at you, just a reality. There's lots of people that despise seeing negative comments towards their favourite team, most just shy away when it gets like that while others stick around and weaken discussion by pouting and taking shots at everyone and every topic all summer. Better to not be the latter.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I'm a bit confused by your statement. Hes 26 years old? Your talking like hes a 34 year old burn out. Hes not going to cost a lot like a Zucker although he scored more then him or a Kadri (who are both older I might add) because hes a younger less seasoned player than either or the aforementioned Neal or Brouwer. This is to upgrade on Frolik for near the same cost or less. If we are moving Frolik anyway and want to get better, this is how you do it. You get younger, bigger and faster and give up 0 picks to do it... I would be surprised if he commanded more cost than Lindholm tbh. You're saying we should never sign a player that is over 6ft has a great shot and is fast because we signed two burnouts who are slow and over the hill? I'm lost. Hes 25 in the league in GAR/60 meaning he is playing well above replacement level (Mark Stone is 1st).

It’s not Connolly’s age that’s in question to me, it’s his ability. I’m not one to think that both Neal and Brouwer fell off a cliff coincidentally the day they arrived in Calgary. I more so believe that those 2 players thrived in their previous teams because of the favorable situation they were in and the linemates they played with.

Also, when I watch Connolly skate, the first thing that comes to mind is not fast. He’s a good player, more of a support guy. But after the Neal and Brouwer and Raymond signings, the organization needs to stay away from risky UFAs. To me, if we’re going to look at more UFAs, then the organization has to look at guys who can drive lines because they can’t afford anymore mistakes.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Toonage]

1. Brett Connolly is the oldest looking 27 year old ever
2. Weren't the Flames interested in Burakovsky? Or was that some made up rumor here?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Bouma got the contract because he had an unsustainable offensive push. He was right to get such a contract. Players need to cash in when they can.

You suggested that his contract was the reason he no longer was in the league.

I hear you, and that's certainly a course.

I think every marginal player has to make that decision though right?

Get as much as you can and make your contract potentially something the team wants to buy out or waive.

Or find that niche where you get less money but can ride longer in the league as a 12/13 forward.

Don't disagree with you, but I do think it's a fork in the road with two ways of thinking.

I think you're right on Bouma though ... marginal skills for sure, but also potentially breaking down from all the shot blocking probably ended his career.