[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[ComixZone]

Accepting that there was only two options:

1. Keep Toffoli
2. Make this specific trade

Is a bit disingenuous. Conroy targeted what he wanted, which was a return that could help the team compete this season. It is just another example of a Calgary Flames pro scouting department having a bad read on a situation. This specific trade is bad for the Calgary Flames.

While Conroy is being praised by some for showing a patient approach with some players, he should be criticized for making an impatient poor trade on this one.

This trade makes even less sense when you look at the offensive system this year, which is no different than last year's. If they were actually making tangible changes to focus more on speed/skating, then they could have looked at Sharangovich as a step in that direction. There's no change in approach though, so this particular trade just strikes me as poor.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Accepting that there was only two options:

1. Keep Toffoli
2. Make this specific trade

Is a bit disingenuous. Conroy targeted what he wanted, which was a return that could help the team compete this season. It is just another example of a Calgary Flames pro scouting department having a bad read on a situation. This specific trade is bad for the Calgary Flames.

While Conroy is being praised by some for showing a patient approach with some players, he should be criticized for making an impatient poor trade on this one.

This trade makes even less sense when you look at the offensive system this year, which is no different than last year's. If they were actually making tangible changes to focus more on speed/skating, then they could have looked at Sharangovich as a step in that direction. There's no change in approach though, so this particular trade just strikes me as poor.

All depends on what you feel the pressure points were.

I think getting one of the 7 players off the books and not bringing back all 7 was key to the decision making.

Moving one of the two older guy that had 5-6 year salary demands to resign was probably a pretty good target.

You can always walk away and trade no one ... or take the best you can after grinding it out.

[Flamesfan05]

Whatever the reason is, the fact is it’s a very poor trade at this point

Just accept and move on.

[Bonded]

Toffoli would probably have 2 goals here and people would be mad he wasn't traded lol

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

We can only hope our recent trades even out a little more long term as these players develop/rebound.

Of course except for the Monahan trade. That never will

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Accepting that there was only two options:

1. Keep Toffoli
2. Make this specific trade

Is a bit disingenuous. Conroy targeted what he wanted, which was a return that could help the team compete this season. It is just another example of a Calgary Flames pro scouting department having a bad read on a situation. This specific trade is bad for the Calgary Flames.

While Conroy is being praised by some for showing a patient approach with some players, he should be criticized for making an impatient poor trade on this one.

This trade makes even less sense when you look at the offensive system this year, which is no different than last year's. If they were actually making tangible changes to focus more on speed/skating, then they could have looked at Sharangovich as a step in that direction. There's no change in approach though, so this particular trade just strikes me as poor.

Given the rest of the trade market at the time, it’s just as disingenuous to pretend there was something better out there.

Some of you are complaining about Sharangovich after 6 games and dismissing Suniev as part of the trade completely, while going on and on about how terrible it is to sign over 30 players and how much you want a rebuild. You want it all, or nothing… it’s actually hard to tell.

You can’t just trade players making $4M+ for draft picks. That’s not how it works. And if he held onto everyone going into the trade deadline, you’d complain about that, too. And he’s not going to be able to trade everyone on expiring contracts, so you’re going to complain about that, too.

It’d be nice if there was some specific standard the Flames were being held to, as opposed to “complain about everything.”

[bdubbs]

I would still do this trade today. At least with Suniev, we have something to hope for. And Sharangovich is coming around.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Conroy targeted what he wanted

I remember him saying this I was rolling my eyes a bit because from what I had seen the guy wasn't very good, just another a warm body coming back. It was a great trade for NJ, even if they just use Toffoli as a rental.

[Ashasx]

I think it is completely disingenuous but absolutely not unexpected to say that the group of people clamouring for a rebuild are not allowed to criticize this trade simply because a trade did occur.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think it is completely disingenuous but absolutely not unexpected to say that the group of people clamouring for a rebuild are not allowed to criticize this trade simply because a trade did occur.

You were saying in another thread that Lindhlm and Hanifin should have been traded regardless of the return in the offseason lol. That is what this trade was

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Whatever the reason is, the fact is it’s a very poor trade at this point

Just accept and move on.

That's just silly.

Toffoli has had a good start.
He's on an expiring contract. Jersey may lose him for noting at the end of the year.
We don't know Sharangovich's future value.
We don't know Suniev's future value.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think it is completely disingenuous but absolutely not unexpected to say that the group of people clamouring for a rebuild are not allowed to criticize this trade simply because a trade did occur.

Allowed?

Just do it more effectively!

[Red Slinger]

Of all the moves and non-moves so far this season, the Toffoli trade is one that concerns me the least. He is a complimentary player who will likely see his already somewhat limited effectiveness fall off a cliff relatively soon. I would much rather the Flames move depreciating assets like Toffoli for potentially appreciating ones in Sharonstonich and Suniev.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Toffoli would probably have 2 goals here and people would be mad he wasn't traded lol

Much easier to score when you’re playing on a line with someone who’s probably gonna be a Hart finalist this year

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Given the rest of the trade market at the time, it’s just as disingenuous to pretend there was something better out there.

Some of you are complaining about Sharangovich after 6 games and dismissing Suniev as part of the trade completely, while going on and on about how terrible it is to sign over 30 players and how much you want a rebuild. You want it all, or nothing… it’s actually hard to tell.

You can’t just trade players making $4M+ for draft picks. That’s not how it works. And if he held onto everyone going into the trade deadline, you’d complain about that, too. And he’s not going to be able to trade everyone on expiring contracts, so you’re going to complain about that, too.

It’d be nice if there was some specific standard the Flames were being held to, as opposed to “complain about everything.”

For what it’s worth, this is the same poster who thought the Flames would be able to get seven 2023 first round picks last offseason if they moved all their pending UFA’s. He’s also recently stated that the Flames should never again trade a single draft pick. The standard being set here doesn’t exist here on planet Earth.

He can’t contain himself on the topic of rebuilding yelling from the hill tops daily but when the Flames make a trade where they shed a 31 year old pending UFA for a younger player and a pick, he complains. It should go without saying that if a team was offering a first for Toffoli, the Flames all but certainly would have taken that trade.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Toffoli would probably have 2 goals here and people would be mad he wasn't traded lol

I feel confident saying that the powerplay would likely have more success if he was still a Flame as he was the trigger man on the powerplay last season that has not been replaced. They could have got the benefit of him being around 2/3 of the season contributing and likely fetched a better return at the trade deadline but it is what it is. As I said in another thread, this team being bad on the ice this season may just be the best thing for this organization in the long run so maybe the trade works out on that front.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bonded

You were saying in another thread that Lindhlm and Hanifin should have been traded regardless of the return in the offseason lol. That is what this trade was

Did I say that? Or did I say that the contract situation should have been sorted out, one way or another, prior to training camp, but that a crappy return is better than overpaying for UFAs?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Given the rest of the trade market at the time, it’s just as disingenuous to pretend there was something better out there.

Some of you are complaining about Sharangovich after 6 games and dismissing Suniev as part of the trade completely, while going on and on about how terrible it is to sign over 30 players and how much you want a rebuild. You want it all, or nothing… it’s actually hard to tell.

You can’t just trade players making $4M+ for draft picks. That’s not how it works. And if he held onto everyone going into the trade deadline, you’d complain about that, too. And he’s not going to be able to trade everyone on expiring contracts, so you’re going to complain about that, too.

It’d be nice if there was some specific standard the Flames were being held to, as opposed to “complain about everything.”

IMO it's OK to be disappointed by the return for Toffoli. Devils fans aren't complaining about the trade market for Sharangovich. Most articles I read suggested Flames didn't get enough but I'm sure there are "experts" who took the other side.

Yeah complaining about everything gets old.
So does defending everything on the basis that it was the best they could have done (and I'm not suggesting you're doing this).

It's still too early to judge this trade, Flames clearly saw something in Sharangovich that the Devils did not. Lots of time for them to be proven right.

And even if they could have done better for Toffoli, it's not a crippling mistake.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Did I say that? Or did I say that the contract situation should have been sorted out, one way or another, prior to training camp, but that a crappy return is better than overpaying for UFAs?

The Toffoli contract situation was sorted and the Flames didn't want to pay what he wanted to stay on for. and they traded him. Basis what the other trades were out there in the offseason I don't think there was much better available.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Whatever the reason is, the fact is it’s a very poor trade at this point

Just accept and move on.

I don't see it as a poor trade. Toffoli didn't want to stay here, is getting too old, and is unlikely to produce a similar season again.

Yegor is starting to show why Conroy went after him and IMO will be a top 6 fixture moving forward as he's one of the few with a legitimate weapon for a shot and very good two way game. Of everyone on the team, he is one of the few with a legitimate excuse for having a slow start.