2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Tell me you are joking. You do that trade every day and twice on Sunday, Kane is a franchise player that would instantly put the Flames in SC contender status.

Maybe not WAY too much, but I think it's an overpay.

[Harry Lime]

I can actually see wotherspoon signing with Chicago. He would get a one way easily with that group.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Maybe not WAY too much, but I think it's an overpay.

Possibly but maybe that is what it would take to get the Hawks to move him. Of course it all hinges on if you believe Brodie can return to form beside Gio. It also hinges on if the Hawks think Gilles will become an NHL starter and Kylington becomes a top 4 D man. The 2019 1st would almost assuredly be a late 1st. Probably to Hawk fans they would say it is not enough.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Why do the hawks need goalie and D prospects?

Anton Forberg is a year older than gillies and played 35games last year for Chicago and put up a .908 s%.

The hawks have 10 defenders signed under 25 years of age. The Flames have 5.

Honestly just going off the hockey news draft preview ... that was Ryan Kennedy's need list.

We can all guess at another teams needs, but always interesting to see a subjective view that's more central.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I wonder how Treliving feels about dealing with Chicago, I think they could be a good fit.

They pretty much need almost everything the Flames have, the question is do they have anything the Flames want.

They need a top four defenseman ... Brodie
They need a goalie prospect ... Gillies
They need about to break in defensemen ... many

But I just don't see that help from Chicago to make a deal worthwhile. Saad shoots left but is expensive and had an off year, plus Chicago would be looking foolish after the trade last summer.

Another West Club that could work is Minnesota with Niedereter, that might be a Brodie even up swap.

Saad would be a smart pick up. Not sure how much the down season would impact his value, but his down season looks a lot like bad luck on paper and would be a prime candidate for a big bounce back season. Niedereter would also be a fun target.

I look at Kessel though, with a big "?" on what it would cost. Looking back to when Pittsburgh acquired Kessel - the Flames were dead silent on free agent day until a few minutes after the Kessel deal broke. I believe we were in on him then, and when the deal with Pittsburgh closed, we pivoted and finalized the contract with Frolik.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No and I don't think anyone else would without Chicago retaining a bunch of salary. I think they are stuck with Toews.

Last year was a horror show for Chicago; I think there's still a lot left in him, he put up over 50 pts, and he has leadership and persistence that we were missing last year. The contract is painful, but with the cap going up, how much would they have to retain?

I'd do Troy Brouwer and any of Shinkaruk, Poirier, Klimchuk for Toews straight up.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Tell me you are joking. You do that trade every day and twice on Sunday, Kane is a franchise player that would instantly put the Flames in SC contender status.

No way the Hawks trade Kane. That is like speculating Malkin getting traded.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

No way the Hawks trade Kane. That is like speculating Malkin getting traded.

Even then Malkin is the 2nd best forward on the team... unlike Kane.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Honestly just going off the hockey news draft preview ... that was Ryan Kennedy's need list.

We can all guess at another teams needs, but always interesting to see a subjective view that's more central.

Just don't see how their needs are much different than the Flames actually. The Flames need basically all of their potential NHL ready defenders if they are going to address scoring with a trade.

The Flames need Gillies as well.

IMO It would be even more unwise for the Flames to start dealing away prospects than it is to deal away picks. They really need guys like Anderson and Foo to not just step in and be adequate, but to be very good.

I liked Rittich but can the team really rely on him? IMO this might be the year to deal Rittich and not Gillies, then run with Gillies as the backup and hope and pray.

Just don't see a fit with Chicago, can't really offer them NHL ready defenders unless it's brodie or hamilton and I don't think there is a trade there worth making from the Flames end. Maybe Saad, he would solve a lot of issues, but I think the price will be too steep.

Minnesota looks ripe to blow some things up though, could be a great dance partner.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Saad + Nashville's 1st + Chicago's 2018 3rd for Brouwer and Brodie.

Hawk's gain 3m for the next 2 years in cap, but save 6m cap space for the extra year Brodie and Brouwer are UFA's. Crawford would be off the books too, so they'd have 12m extra space to play with in the 2021 offseason.

Even if we have to retain 25-50% on Brouwer, I wouldn't mind this deal.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by sempuki

would you take toews?

no

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Saad + Nashville's 1st + Chicago's 2018 3rd for Brouwer and Brodie.

Hawk's gain 3m for the next 2 years in cap, but save 6m cap space for the extra year Brodie and Brouwer are UFA's. Crawford would be off the books too, so they'd have 12m extra space to play with in the 2021 offseason.

Even if we have to retain 25-50% on Brouwer, I wouldn't mind this deal.

Flames would have to add. I'd say Chicago might do it if a guy like Klimchuk was included.

[circle]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Saad + Nashville's 1st + Chicago's 2018 3rd for Brouwer and Brodie.

Hawk's gain 3m for the next 2 years in cap, but save 6m cap space for the extra year Brodie and Brouwer are UFA's. Crawford would be off the books too, so they'd have 12m extra space to play with in the 2021 offseason.

Even if we have to retain 25-50% on Brouwer, I wouldn't mind this deal.

I don't think Brodie has that kind of value to attract a late first plus a top 6 player plus a third nevermind adding Brouwer to the deal.

[dammage79]

Saad would be ideal. But I'd still go after one more guy like Kapanen on top of that.

LW:
Johnny
Tkachuk
Bennett
Ferland

RW:
Saad
Kapanen
Frolik
Foo

C:
Monahan
Janko
Backlund
Lazar


I mean thats pretty locked in right there. Could even have Foo as depth on the farm and Lazar be the spark plug

Also dark horse guy like Dube or Mangipane can come in a make a mess of things too.

Either way. thats a pretty solid depth chart if you add those two RW's. rotates Ferland back to LW where he should be.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Saad would be ideal. But I'd still go after one more guy like Kapanen on top of that.

LW:
Johnny
Tkachuk
Bennett
Ferland

RW:
Saad
Kapanen
Frolik
Foo

C:
Monahan
Janko
Backlund
Lazar


I mean thats pretty locked in right there. Could even have Foo as depth on the farm and Lazar be the spark plug

Also dark horse guy like Dube or Mangipane can come in a make a mess of things too.

Either way. thats a pretty solid depth chart if you add those two RW's. rotates Ferland back to LW where he should be.

That center depth is frightening.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That center depth is frightening.

Dube can be a 4th liner as early as this year IMO. There's depth. Maybe you can get a Charlie Coyle there too. He's multi-positional. And we havent forgotten Shore yet. Hes still a Flame until he is not. So C depth is fine at the 4 spot.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Saad + Nashville's 1st + Chicago's 2018 3rd for Brouwer and Brodie.

Hawk's gain 3m for the next 2 years in cap, but save 6m cap space for the extra year Brodie and Brouwer are UFA's. Crawford would be off the books too, so they'd have 12m extra space to play with in the 2021 offseason.

Even if we have to retain 25-50% on Brouwer, I wouldn't mind this deal.

Saad is likely higher in trade value than (or perhaps equal to) Brodie. They aren't going to "throw in" a first and third round pick to move him and you want them to take Brouwer also.

You are basically saying that Brodie has way more trade value than Saad, as Chicago needs to give up an extra 1st and 3rd and take Brouwer? That's a huge difference.

Calgary might well trade Brodie and Brouwer for Chicago's 1st and 3rd round pick. Getting rid of Brouwer would be huge for cap reasons.

[Travis Munroe]

I have a hunch that Hamilton is the D man who we see traded and not because the Flames wanted to trade him. His trade value is as high this coming season as it ever will be. The final 2 years of his deal involve a 12 team no trade deal which reduces the value and his next contract will be for significantly more money. There were also rumors of him not being happy with the Bruins and how they did not trade for his brother. Family means more to him than the average person (not saying we don't value our families but he takes it a step up). We know he wasn't pleased with how the flames and Freddie panned out so you have to wonder if he handcuffs the flames the same way he did Boston at the end of the current contract.

All of these points make me think the flames are smart to trade Dougie on a high!

And as good as he is, he isn't a player I would fear going into a playoff round against after trading him. Someone like Bennett is a guy I feel we would regret trading should we ever face him in the playoffs and a huge reason why I think it would be a huge mistake giving up on him so early. That's for a different thread though!

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Dube can be a 4th liner as early as this year IMO. There's depth. Maybe you can get a Charlie Coyle there too. He's multi-positional. And we havent forgotten Shore yet. Hes still a Flame until he is not. So C depth is fine at the 4 spot.

That's lots of 4th line C options, but the top 3 is weak unless Jankowski takes a huge step.

I love Monahan, he's a mid range #1 C. That's great but not "high end" for the role he plays on the team.

I love Backlund, he's a mid range #2 C. That's great but not "high end" for the role he plays on the team.

So IMO, we are already behind the real contending teams as far as C goes, and then following that up with a #3 C with 73 NHL games under his belt. And if either Backlund or Monahan play hurt or miss time then we are really in trouble.

I get it. There are some young players we have as C options. Young players can surprise if given an opportunity. Just look at William Karlsson in Vegas. But i wouldn't go betting my season on it if I were Treliving. He did last year and Bennett/Janko/Stajan didn't get the job done.

That's why I love the Tavares pipe dream so much. You add that guy and all of a sudden you have a "high end" #1 C but the side effects are having Monahan and Backlund go from playing in water up to their necks to running around in the kiddie pool. That's the kind of C depth you can win a Cup with.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

no

Thoughtful analysis.