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Classic_Sniper · 04-23-2019, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, Grabner is better, cheaper and signed for less years than Neal.

Arizona must desperately want those crappy draft picks.

It would be very painful to currently get rid of Neal.

Yup, no way we could parlay Neal into Grabner who is an elite goal scoring penalty killer. He was near the top of his team in goals per game and doesn’t even play powerplay minutes. He’s not a camp dump nor do I think he’d be available for Neal. He just needs to stay healthy and he’ll probably score 20 next season for them.

keenan87 · 04-23-2019, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Yup, no way we could parlay Neal into Grabner who is an elite goal scoring penalty killer. He was near the top of his team in goals per game and doesn’t even play powerplay minutes. He’s not a camp dump nor do I think he’d be available for Neal. He just needs to stay healthy and he’ll probably score 20 next season for them.

Fair enough. That being said, I still hope the Flames can package up some picks and prospects with Neal to get another cheaper cap dump. I think that may be the only way.

flamesfan55 · 04-23-2019, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

Trade 1: Sean Monahan for Filip Forsberg
Trade 2: TJ Brodie for 1st Round Pick + 4th Round Pick
Trade 3: Michael Stone for 6th Round Pick
Trade 4: Michael Frolik+Oliver Kylington + 1st Round for Ryan Getzlaf
Trade 5: 4th Round + 6th Round + James Neal for Michael Grabner
FA Signings: Kevin Hayes (6.0 mil), Cam Talbot (3.0 mil)
Other Signings: Matthew Tkachuk (7.0 mil), Sam Bennett (3.5 mil)

Tkachuk-Getzlaf-Forsberg
Gaudreau-Hayes-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Backlund-Bennett
Dube-Ryan-Grabner
Hathaway

Giordano-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Fantenberg/Yelesin

Rittich
Talbot

That Getzlaf trade is gross.

The Cobra · 04-23-2019, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

I do understand what you are saying. However, it's not like Grabner had a very good season either with 16 points in 41 games. Both players are also the exact same age.

Grabner's Career PPG: 0.45 (167 goals in 594 games)

Neal's Career PPG: 0.67 (270 goals in 766 games)

I consider Grabner and Neal cap dumps at this point. Weirder deals have happened in the past and maybe the Coyotes can look to Neal as being the veteran on the team who has made the playoffs before. Not a lot of Coyotes players have done it much before. Maybe the Flames can add a prospect like Ruzicka too.

Sure they are cap dumps, but Grabber is way cheaper and for less years. There may be some teams that even consider his contract not all that bad.

Grabber's year was stellar compared to Neal's. And Neal's benching in the playoffs kinda makes that playoff experience thing non-existent.

Their career averages at this stage are largely irrelevant. Neal ain't playing with Crosby anytime soon.

With Arizona always being a budget team, they aren't adding bad payroll without a huge draft pick coming back.

868904 · 04-23-2019, 01:04 PM

I think Neal has negative value now. There is no point in trading him. You give him this Summer and see how if he can rebound.

If he rebounds, you have so many more options. If he can't rebound, well his value isn't going to get any worse. In fact, it will only get better with each successive year of his term that gets removed.

There is NO point to trade Neal right now. Unless you are making room for McDavid or Mackinnion.

Yoho · 04-23-2019, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 868904

I think Neal has negative value now. There is no point in trading him. You give him this Summer and see how if he can rebound.

If he rebounds, you have so many more options. If he can't rebound, well his value isn't going to get any worse. In fact, it will only get better with each successive year of his term that gets removed.

There is NO point to trade Neal right now. Unless you are making room for McDavid or Mackinnion.

You won’t win a playoff round with him taking a regular shift. Be prepared for more healthy scratches.

kman35ca · 04-23-2019, 01:14 PM

I heard an interesting trade speculation on some youtube guys channel.

I laughed but wonder what others would think.

It was that Pitt would be looking at making some moves, and this guy thought a Neal for Phil Kessel would be something Pitt might look at. lol

That would be a coup for Calgary imo, but pretty unrealistic...

VladtheImpaler · 04-23-2019, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kman35ca

I heard an interesting trade speculation on some youtube guys channel.

I laughed but wonder what others would think.

It was that Pitt would be looking at making some moves, and this guy thought a Neal for Phil Kessel would be something Pitt might look at. lol

That would be a coup for Calgary imo, but pretty unrealistic...

We would probably need to add Hanowski.

GioforPM · 04-23-2019, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoho

You won’t win a playoff round with him taking a regular shift. Be prepared for more healthy scratches.

Because no player has ever rebounded? Because Neal never made it past the first round ever?

Yes, his skating is bad. Yet there are bad skaters who are contributing in the POs. He may rebound, he may not. But writing the possibility off without even seeing what happens seems off to me.

Yoho · 04-23-2019, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Because no player has ever rebounded? Because Neal never made it past the first round ever?

Yes, his skating is bad. Yet there are bad skaters who are contributing in the POs. He may rebound, he may not. But writing the possibility off without even seeing what happens seems off to me.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it..

Vinny01 · 04-23-2019, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

But for the salary cap, I agree.

I guess from the Flames perspective it would be tough. They would need to jettison Brodie and Frolik in separate deals. Where I see it being enticing to Tampa is getting Gaudreau under $7M for 3 years in his prime (while Stamkos and Hedmen are in theirs as well). Point is going to cost in that $9.5M range.

For the Flames I could be wrong but I just don’t see Gaudreau staying here for another contract. The Flames would have the ability to sign Point to a 6-8 year deal which gives them more years with this core to go for it. Not that different from the trade with the Hurricanes where the Flames sent out a 26 and 25 year old (with 1 and 3 years left) for a 23 and 21 year old (RFA’s they signed 6 year deals) The deal also allows Tkachuk to move into the primary winger position. A top line of Tkachuk-Point-Lindholm would be an elite 2 way line that could go against top lines defensively as well.

Hopefully Frolik, Brodie, Jankowski could be used to create the cap space to sign Point and Tkachuk while possibly adding a second line RW to play with Bennett-Monahan. Backlund moves down to the 3rd line with maybe Dube/Mangiapane?

I know it is fantasy talk but it makes some realistic sense (even though it won’t happen)

GioforPM · 04-23-2019, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoho

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it..

So you are agreeing that players have rebounded and Neal has made it past the first round? Or ignoring that?

He may not rebound. But others have.

bax · 04-23-2019, 01:48 PM

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Bennett
Gaudreau - Monahan - Zucker
Mangiapane - Backlund - Neal
Hathaway - Ryan - Dube

Jankowski, Frolik, and a pick for Zucker

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Valimaki - Kylington
Yeselin

Brodie for picks
Stone for picks

GioforPM · 04-23-2019, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bax

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Bennett
Gaudreau - Monahan - Zucker
Mangiapane - Backlund - Neal
Hathaway - Ryan - Dube

Jankowski, Frolik, and a pick for Zucker

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Valimaki - Kylington
Yeselin

Brodie for picks
Stone for picks

I like this. I'm not sure the return for Zucker would be accepted but you could repackage something involving Brodie, I suppose.

Vinny01 · 04-23-2019, 02:01 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/TSN1040/s...nt-articles%2F

Botchford thinks the Flames will pay Dube+1st to the Canucks to take on Neal’s contract then package our first in a deal for Subban.

Talk about nut job

GioforPM · 04-23-2019, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://mobile.twitter.com/TSN1040/s...nt-articles%2F

Botchford thinks the Flames will pay Dube+1st to the Canucks to take on Neal’s contract then package our first in a deal for Subban.

Talk about nut job

That's just crazy. None of those deals make sense.

Flamenspiel · 04-23-2019, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://mobile.twitter.com/TSN1040/s...nt-articles%2F

Botchford thinks the Flames will pay Dube+1st to the Canucks to take on Neal’s contract then package our first in a deal for Subban.

Talk about nut job

Yea, thats absurd. But so are some of the suggestions on here, unfortunately the NHL is such a long learning curve that players often don't get till they are late into the second or on to the third contract. At that time I am confident that we will not end up having a fire sale like Ottawa.

Toonage · 04-23-2019, 02:04 PM

Can't spell Botchford without botch.

bax · 04-23-2019, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I like this. I'm not sure the return for Zucker would be accepted but you could repackage something involving Brodie, I suppose.

Yeah fair enough. I was more so just going off what the rumored return was at the deadline.

Not a huge shakeup, but definitely a different look going into next year.

GioforPM · 04-23-2019, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bax

Yeah fair enough. I was more so just going off what the rumored return was at the deadline.

Not a huge shakeup, but definitely a different look going into next year.

If that was the rumoured return then I'm all for it.