Brad Treliving needs to go

[btimbit]

Dean Lombardi, come on down

[Textcritic]

You guys didn't honestly think Treliving would get fired seven games into Sutter's tenure, did you?

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[TheChief]

I think Treliving getting let go is a forgone conclusion if this team doesn't make the playoffs.

[flamingred89]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You guys didn't honestly think Treliving would get fired seven games into Sutter's tenure, did you?

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More surprised that he wasn’t shown the door the same time Ward was.

[kukkudo]

Treliving knows his days are numbered does he pull a panic move in the coming weeks?

[nik-]

Treliving shouldn't be allowed to make another single change. This season is done anyway. Get him out.

[Hackey]

I've liked Treliving for the most part, but I'm ready for major changes. Bring in a new GM and start the rebuild.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

I'm ready for a change but I'm kinda surprised at the hate for Tre here.

His biggest fault has been bring too loyal to this core and head coaching, but for quite a few seasons here he's put a great team on paper and they either haven't excuted or they fell off a cliff (i.e. Johnny).

Anyway by the end of the season it's time for a change I'm sure, but in a way I feel bad for Tre. Unlike Feaster he actually has a keen eye and doesn't just throw darts at a board but it looks like he'll exit taking the franchise a step back from when he took it over from Feaster, which seems unfathomable but it's true.

[bluejays]

Treliving will get a job for someone else, so I feel bad none. At times, I think he let his ego get the better of him to chase particular players. I did appreciate his push to change and want get better but his dealing of draft picks for the return, and the long term contract f-ups really is going to handcuff the team into the future. I really think the only thing they can do is recoup assets by trading guys away, and make astute draft choices or deals to get this team on track in a couple seasons. Ownership should be all in with the tank as there will be no additional gate revenue to worry about this year. Anyway, I was a big apologist for Treliving but he really missed the mark when he wasn't able to land a grade 1 first liner this off-season. Again though, the cap situation which he brought on himself hasn't allowed that person to be brought in. Cap hell right now.

[transplant99]

I think many of you are setting up for disappointment if you think Treliving is getting axed at the end of the year.

Again:

Year one of a pretty healthy contract
No revenues from attendance this year
New coach getting a very healthy wage who did not sign up for a re-build which is what removing BT would indicate

I may be reading it entirely wrong but if you connect the dots so to speak, an expensive move like that simply isnt in the cards.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think many of you are setting up for disappointment if you think Treliving is getting axed at the end of the year.

Again:

Year one of a pretty healthy contract
No revenues from attendance this year
New coach getting a very healthy wage who did not sign up for a re-build which is what removing BT would indicate

I may be reading it entirely wrong but if you connect the dots so to speak, an expensive move like that simply isnt in the cards.

You may well and likely be right, but to play Devil's Advocate, and as a counterpoint, while the Flames operation has bled cash, how glorious of a year have the owners had otherwise, if their theoretical wealth is tied to a large extent to the performance of the stock market? Perhaps, being flush, they may feel like spending on their toy?

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think many of you are setting up for disappointment if you think Treliving is getting axed at the end of the year.

Again:

Year one of a pretty healthy contract
No revenues from attendance this year
New coach getting a very healthy wage who did not sign up for a re-build which is what removing BT would indicate

I may be reading it entirely wrong but if you connect the dots so to speak, an expensive move like that simply isnt in the cards.

You're probably right. Treliving's going to get at least one year of shaping the roster more to Sutter's liking. If things are still a mess by the end of next year though I think that's when Tre would get the axe.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think many of you are setting up for disappointment if you think Treliving is getting axed at the end of the year...

You are right. It's not happening. But the disappointment would run especially deep were Treliving to be replaced by one of Don Maloney or Craig Conroy.


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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

You may well and likely be right, but to play Devil's Advocate, and as a counterpoint, while the Flames operation has bled cash, how glorious of a year have the owners had otherwise, if their theoretical wealth is tied to a large extent to the performance of the stock market? Perhaps, being flush, they may feel like spending on their toy?

Yeah maybe.

My guess though if thats the case....there would have to be a candidate worthy of the expense.

No idea who that would be at this point.

[bluejays]

Man, that would be a catastrophic move if the President put Maloney or Conroy in charge.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You are right. It's not happening. But the disappointment would run especially deep were Treliving to be replaced by one of Don Maloney or Craig Conroy.


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If/when ownership decides to change direction i would hope its a house cleaning and starting fresh.

I thought Maloney did quite well with the position he was in while in Phoenix, but he may be a little too much like Treliving in what he values in players. Ditto Conroy as well because all he has ever known in a front office position is what he has learned from BT.

[flamingred89]

Originally Posted by fleury

Man, that would be a catastrophic move if the President put Maloney or Conroy in charge.

I dunno. It would mostly be to manage the taxi squad and waiver wire. I’d trust those guys to cross the t’s and dot the I’s and let ownership start the hunt for a new GM. Start fresh with the new GM at the beginning of the offseason and let the overhaul begin.

I Should also say that’s with the assumption that not much happens at the deadline this year.

[Squirrel]

Tre gets a C+ at best for the time he has been with the Flames. Poor coaching hires and he has held on far too long to a core that just wasn't capable of being more than a decent regular season team.

Has held on too long to Gio, Monny, Johnny and Bennett. Trade values are at all time lows with no sign of improving.

Sutter would be a good fill in IMO. I think he was unfairly criticized as the Flames GM. People forget that, at the time, the team was all-in to make a deep playoff push. He traded away picks to try to "win now" and only when it didn't happen did the fan base turn on him for it. Up until then people were good with the moves he was making.

If this team isn't on the upswing in a couple of years there will be a lot of empty seats in the new arena. Poor performance on the ice and a depleted Calgary economy will be a tough mix to convince people to pay the higher prices for everything that comes with a shiny new rink.

[browntrout]

Maybe I am on an island here, but this team has made the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 years...were people expecting a Stanley Cup here, this is a middle of the pack team, the GM made this team as competitive as he could. All this talk that I don't trust the GM and he gets a failing grade...give me a break, most of his moves were good, yeah sure a couple of moves he probably does not again, but you can pin that to every GM in the league. I would rather have a GM who has grown, learned from his mistakes, knows the organization strengths and weaknesses and his familiar with the players. So much of a GMs success is rooted in good luck and golden opportunities. Team has not drafted high, that's not the GM's fault, we have not drafted elite talent, where would Edmonton be without Draistle and McDavid?

[Saqe]

Treliving failed to acquire elite talent when it was available, refused to pay the price. If you only wait for the great deal you'll never get anywhere.



But his biggest failure has been talent evaluation. He stuck with this core way too long. I really don't understand the logic that he's not to blame for not moving on from Gaudreau and/or Monahan. What's his job then? Anyone from here could've sit on his hands and hope they work out.



Average GM and if they continue with him I don't expect any other result than average like the past seven years.