2015 Blue Jays Regular Season Thread

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by JayP

The team's body language as a whole tonight was awful. If its not back to normal tomorrow I think it's going to be a disapointing finish to the season.

I agree

But wait.. culture, intangibles, etc don't exist and don't matter... yeah sure they don't.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Careful Tyler, that's borderline anti-cultural/racist.

Jose is a twat. Why don't you focus on getting you average above .250 instead of doing AA's job. Your locker room and handshake buddy is gone because he's on a spiral to unplayable. You're the only guy that couldn't welcome Tulo, say you'll miss Reyes and move on. What a leader.

AA, pull the trigger on whatever you have on the table.

That's exactly what you don't want. You don't just deal a guy who has considerable trade value (franchise defining value) for whatever you have on the table just to get rid of him. Frustration is one thing, but those types of bats are highly valuable and you gotta maximize your return. I'm Bautista's sad about his friend leaving, but behind closed doors, who knows? Maybe there are internal rumblings he may be dealt? We don't know.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Isn't it great when the leader of the team is basically resorting to vaguebooking? Sadly, I really think Jose's time has come to an end with the Blue Jays.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Isn't it great when the leader of the team is basically resorting to vaguebooking? Sadly, I really think Jose's time has come to an end with the Blue Jays.

Yeah, I don't care who the player is, those quotes would make anyone look bad. What was he thinking? Sadly I think this just gives us more insight into the team's failure over the years.

You can't have your supposed leader and ambassador saying stuff like that, you just can't. It's embarrassing. He's pretty much publically questioning his bosses, just like last deadline.

There was some good times for sure, but it's time to trade this guy IMO. Tulo, JD and Martin is a great core to build an offense around, they really don't "need" Bautista as much as they used to. Perhaps that was the real purpose behind the trade in the first place? A first move, in a series of many before the start of 2016? I really hope so, because I am getting TIRED of Jose Bautista being the face of the team... or even on the team at all to be honest. I appreciate the guy's accomplishments, I just find him hard to cheer for due to his personality/demeanor. I am feeling very encouraged by this move assuming there are more to follow that continue to move the team in a different direction.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by fleury

That's exactly what you don't want. You don't just deal a guy who has considerable trade value (franchise defining value) for whatever you have on the table just to get rid of him. Frustration is one thing, but those types of bats are highly valuable and you gotta maximize your return. I'm Bautista's sad about his friend leaving, but behind closed doors, who knows? Maybe there are internal rumblings he may be dealt? We don't know.

Problem is Bautista is the team leader, for Jose to make those type of comments two years in a row.

It's a problem...

I bet the Jays organization will quietly talk with Jose.

However if he continue to speak negatively about everything I bet he is dealt in the off season

[JiriHrdina]

Jose seems like a bit of a whiner - how he treats the umpires, the press, and his comments on social media.
I wouldn't be unhappy to see him go. I'd rather keep EE if only because taking the parrot for a walk makes me smile ear to ear every time I see it.

[PeteMoss]

You don't trade one of the best hitters in the game because he's a whiner in tweets or complains too much about strike calls.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

You don't trade one of the best hitters in the game because he's a whiner in tweets or complains too much about strike calls.

The Giants got rid of Melky when he was one of the best hitters in the game. They are doing OK.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by troutman

The Giants got rid of Melky when he was one of the best hitters in the game. They are doing OK.

Melky was never one the best players in baseball. He was a great hitter for half of one season and then got suspended for PEDs. There are not comparable players at all.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

You don't trade one of the best hitters in the game because he's a whiner in tweets or complains too much about strike calls.

His attitude however is a concern, seems to complain / whines in the game and out of the game.

i.e. his comments about the trade were inappropriate.... in my view

Jays are .500 team could they be better with a stronger core...

I would guess yes.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

You don't trade one of the best hitters in the game because he's a whiner in tweets or complains too much about strike calls.

The crazy thing is they don't need him to produce enough runs. So if you can trade him for an arm - then I say that's something you look at hard.
There are teams that need a stick. Target them.

[Pagal4321]

The media asked him a question and he shared his comments. I appreciate his honesty, rather than a generic cookie cutter answer.

Bautista & Reyes were close friends, so it's not surprising to see him mope around about it a little bit.

I find it interesting that some people are holding athletes to some kind of gold standard, if one of my close friends from the office was fired, I would probably mope about it for a few days as well. After meeting their replacement, I'd probably flip a switch and go back to normal.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

The media asked him a question and he shared his comments. I appreciate his honesty, rather than a generic cookie cutter answer.

Bautista & Reyes were close friends, so it's not surprising to see him mope around about it a little bit.

I find it interesting that some people are holding athletes to some kind of gold standard, if one of my close friends from the office was fired, I would probably mope about it for a few days as well. After meeting their replacement, I'd probably flip a switch and go back to normal.

If this was an isolated incident, sure, I would agree. But Bautista is a whiner in all facets of his job - on the field and off. Being a little down for a day or two one could understand, but his comments directed at AA (again) and his whiny comments on Twitter are just part of his MO.

[transplant99]

Joey bats needs to go....no question in my mind he makes the clubhouse uneasy. His bat isn't nearly as important as a solid starting pitcher would be.

[BOSSY]

Jose could get you a number 3 starter and serviceable right field replacement - I'd deal him... Power was replaced by the Tulo trade and have Edwin and Smoak switch off between DH/1B - mid season culture change is what this team needs...

[howard_the_duck]

Sure, Joey can be abrasive with the media sometimes but what's he supposed to say? One of his best friends just got traded.

And him voicing frustration last year was completely legitimate in my mind - the Jays were up 3 games on the wild card, but were trending downwards. It's also been reported there were certain promises made to players on the team that additions would be made, and when nothing was done I don't blame him for voicing his frustration. He's played out the prime years of his career without being properly insulated with a playoff-competing roster, it's natural for a player coming up on the twilight of his career to be hungry for playoff/title contention.

If trading Tulo doesn't land a front line starter, neither will Jose. His value to the Jays is much greater than what he brings in the trade market. I don't see him going anywhere.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Careful Tyler, that's borderline anti-cultural/racist.

Jose is a twat. Why don't you focus on getting you average above .250 instead of doing AA's job. Your locker room and handshake buddy is gone because he's on a spiral to unplayable. You're the only guy that couldn't welcome Tulo, say you'll miss Reyes and move on. What a leader.

AA, pull the trigger on whatever you have on the table.

I would probably die laughing if Bautista is traded for starting pitching help after all his whining.

[VERVE]

Don't get why all the hate for Bautista. With him and EE, they are like Ramirez and Ortiz. They are both in the top 5 in MLB terms of HRs in the last 4-5 yrs. Perhaps his words were lost in translation. You don't trade a guy and call him a "twat" because of the tweet. He's got game and passion playing. He has been described as being one of the leaders in the room.

[VERVE]

The most concerning thing is if AA doesn't do anything to get at least a middle arm in the rotation by Friday, then the trade of Reyes and two of our top prospect pitchers for Tulo would be just like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. Granted that Tulo has more bat but we lose the speed on the bases as well as the leadoff hitter. I mean how much more offense does a top team in runs generated in the American league need (?)

[flambers]

Originally Posted by VERVE

The most concerning thing is if AA doesn't do anything to get at least a middle arm in the rotation by Friday, then the trade of Reyes and two of our top prospect pitchers for Tulo would be just like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. Granted that Tulo has more bat but we lose the speed on the bases as well as the leadoff hitter. I mean how much more offense does a top team in runs generated in the American league need (?)

Biggest difference between Tulo and Reyes in my opinion is defense.

Reyes was getting to the point where he had to change positions.