The Alison Redford transgressions thread. Update- Redford quits.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Alberta politics:

Where the only tenable political position is to go further to the right.

While that is primarily the fault of the incredibly useless Liberal and NDP parties, one also has to note that the PC's hard slide to the left over the last several years pretty much means that "going further to the right" is little more than going back to where we started.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

While that is primarily the fault of the incredibly useless Liberal and NDP parties, one also has to note that the PC's hard slide to the left over the last several years pretty much means that "going further to the right" is little more than going back to where we started.

Only fiscally maybe.

[darklord700]

Redford’s statement said she “would be surprised if the allegations were true.”

This woman is beyond help. You either threw someone off the plane or you didn't. There's no surprise in any of this. She still thinks she could foold us longer. Last time she was surprised by how expensive her SA trip cost.

[Daradon]

Not that I disagree with you, but what else is she supposed to say at this point?

I know we'd all like it if politicians showed a little honor and just admitted their mistakes. But at this point, she's so far in the cookie jar, it's just easier to try and leave out the other side. The Shaggy Defense! Just keep repeating, 'It wasn't me!'

[CaptainCrunch]

In the politician's handbook the first defense is to deny.

I did not have sexual relations with that woman

I am not a crook

I didn't know

I doubt very much that Redford didn't know what her staff was doing. Everything about her screams entitlement and a distinct contempt for her constituants.

She wanted to build her own palace basically. She knew that she was wrong on the South African trip but denied and blustered as long as she could..

I doubt that anyone steps on an empty government plane with her daughter and a security guy and says this is a good use of taxpayer funded properly.

But like most politicians they don't care because they think that what they're doing is normal. The old Politburo members used to think it was ok to steal from their government and spend lavishly on themselves because they needed to be coddled more then the average person because political leadership of a country was hard.

to me, in terms of ethics, Redford doesn't have them.


Someone said that she was probably book smart but not attached to reality.

I would argue that she has a high opinion of her own intelligence, and thought she could pull a series of fast ones to live a fantasy of being a princess or a Queen. In reality, she's a stupid stupid person, and she has really earned herself the award of worst political leader in the last century in this country, and that's hard to do when you have a Prime Minister that got his advice from a stuffed dog.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

In reality, she's a stupid stupid person, and she has really earned herself the award of worst political leader in the last century in this country

She has no social awareness and she misjudged how little support she had from her party when she budged her way into premiership. If she's only a little smarter she wouldn't have been sank by a $45K airfare scandel. People see lawyers and thought she was smart but she hasn't practiced law in almost two decades.

The only smart thing she had done was to sent Gary Mar packing to Hong Kong but that was probably more Stephen Carter's doing that hers.

Dave Hancock hasn't done a thing and he's more popular than Alison was and I just don't see how you can call her smart.

[Fire]

The people scared of the WildRose party are probably the same idiots who were scared that the federal Conservatives would ban abortions and gay marriage.

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by Fire

The people scared of the WildRose party are probably the same idiots who were scared that the federal Conservatives would ban abortions and gay marriage.

As someone hopeful of the wild rose, they keep shooting themselves in the foot on social issues. While Alberta has a reputation of being so-con you can't win elections on that platform. The fear the wild rose get is self inflicted. Good example of this is the vote to encourage schools to assist LGBT groups which was a symbolic vote, it was stupid of them to vote against it and shows how closed minded they are.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The Wildrose Party candidate for the riding of Edmonton-Ellersie is Sukh Bal.

I am not making this up.

Now we return you to your regularly-scheduled discussion already in progress.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The Wildrose Party candidate for the riding of Edmonton-Ellersie is Sukh Bal.

I am not making this up.

The MLA for Calgary-Greenway is Manmeet Bhullar.

They need to run against each other.

[MoneyGuy]

There should be a stupid politicians' transgressions thread. There is another case brewing in Gibbons with a stupid, arrogant mayor who's been stripped of some of his authority by his council.

[transplant99]

The silence on this last transgression/scandal from the current Premier and his cabinet is startling.

Seriously...where are Horner or Hancock....any of them?

Yet, we have the mob of anti WR folks calling those who had nothing to do with this debacle of government corruption....a joke.

There is a large joke in Alberta politics without question....too bad so many get the punchline completely wrong though.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

In the politician's handbook the first defense is to deny.

I did not have sexual relations with that woman

I am not a crook

I didn't know

I doubt very much that Redford didn't know what her staff was doing. Everything about her screams entitlement and a distinct contempt for her constituants.

She wanted to build her own palace basically. She knew that she was wrong on the South African trip but denied and blustered as long as she could..

I doubt that anyone steps on an empty government plane with her daughter and a security guy and says this is a good use of taxpayer funded properly.

But like most politicians they don't care because they think that what they're doing is normal. The old Politburo members used to think it was ok to steal from their government and spend lavishly on themselves because they needed to be coddled more then the average person because political leadership of a country was hard.

to me, in terms of ethics, Redford doesn't have them.


Someone said that she was probably book smart but not attached to reality.

I would argue that she has a high opinion of her own intelligence, and thought she could pull a series of fast ones to live a fantasy of being a princess or a Queen. In reality, she's a stupid stupid person, and she has really earned herself the award of worst political leader in the last century in this country, and that's hard to do when you have a Prime Minister that got his advice from a stuffed dog.

You forgot "I never inhaled" in the first part

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Seriously...where are Horner or Hancock....any of them?

I actually appreciate their gentlemanly slicence. Much I think Redford is a joke, itll be hard to watch Horner and Hancock turning on her whipping the corpse.

[Slava]

I feel like I should chime in here as a regular "sparring partner" with some of you on these topics. While some of the issues she had were arguable or maybe questionable, to me faking passengers so that you can have a plane ride to yourself is criminal. I would call any politician (or anyone else) on that kind of thing because it shows that there was a calculated decision made to try to get a benefit. Its either Redford or her staff (which she ultimately hired and is responsible for) who made those decisions and as a result should be held accountable.

[killer_carlson]

I think it will be tough for Horner to come back from this. I think this is the straw that breaks his political back - at least for a few years.

I thought I would have heard more from cabinet, but I think that if any of them pop their head up they will also have to answer questions pertaining to the pay increase issue.

[darklord700]

Hancock is just bidding his time until the new leader is elected and hopping to snap up a cushy cabinet post.

Horner knows he's too far gone to be saved. Both of them are trying not to rile up anybody at this point.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by Slava

I feel like I should chime in here as a regular "sparring partner" with some of you on these topics. While some of the issues she had were arguable or maybe questionable, to me faking passengers so that you can have a plane ride to yourself is criminal. I would call any politician (or anyone else) on that kind of thing because it shows that there was a calculated decision made to try to get a benefit. Its either Redford or her staff (which she ultimately hired and is responsible for) who made those decisions and as a result should be held accountable.

Holy Smokes. Redford must have really screwed up if Slava is no longer makes excuses for the PC Party

Jump on the Wild Rose bandwagon. There's plenty of room!

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

While that is primarily the fault of the incredibly useless Liberal and NDP parties, one also has to note that the PC's hard slide to the left over the last several years pretty much means that "going further to the right" is little more than going back to where we started.

Alberta politics:

Where a descent into comfortable corruption due to foregone voting conclusions is a 'hard slide to the left'.

[Bill Bumface]

It makes me wonder... would it be cheaper to pay these guys private sector large company CEO type cash?

1) They would probably be less likely to pull all these expense stunts when they can afford their own plane anyway
2) They would ideally be much more competent at running a large organization, and the savings and benefits they would bring would easily far outweigh their compensation