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Gaskal · 04-22-2019, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If you’re Philly GM, would you do it?

Nope, I start a vengeful smear campaign against Treliving

Psytic · 04-22-2019, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Monahan and Gaudreau are going nowhere. Neither is Backlund. The Flames just had a season for the ages, and in large measure it was these players that got them there. Sure the playoffs sucked, but it happens. Might as well overreact and just blow it up.

Gillies is gone in my opinion. I think Smith gets re-signed. Parsons is a year older now, MacDonald has been WAY more consistent in the ECHL and looks to have his career turned around (though with goalies, who really knows), and that Russian goalie Zagidulin might be something, might not be, but he will need playing time.

I think there are going to be a tonne of changes. Last off-season, Treliving was sniffing around Reaves and even Maroon. When those fell through, I wish he just signed Iginla for a year contract over Neal - in hindsight, the Flames would have been incredibly better off. Neal is not bouncing back - not in Calgary. Maybe the stick issue is the culprit, but even his shot looks like one of the worst on the team. He is the slowest skater. I don't see a guy who simply had 'bad luck'.
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I would bring back Smith to at league minimum to be the 1b again. Its all about saving cap and he was about as good as anyone else the second half of the season. We dont have to give anything up either.

There is some decent FA signings that can be made as well for C and RW. If it looks like we can land something decent in FA I wouldnt be opposed to trading the 1st to dump Neal and recouping the picks with Brodie, Frolik and Jankowski.

GullFoss · 04-23-2019, 01:10 AM

Johnny Couturier Lindholm
Tkachuk Monahan Bennett
Mangiapane backlund Neal
Dube Ryan Hathaway

Giordano Brodie
Valimaki Andersson
Kylington Hamonic
Fantenberg Yelesin

Hanifin+Janko+1st+third for Couturier+2nd

The Cobra · 04-23-2019, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

Johnny Couturier Lindholm
Tkachuk Monahan Bennett
Mangiapane backlund Neal
Dube Ryan Hathaway

Giordano Brodie
Valimaki Andersson
Kylington Hamonic
Fantenberg Yelesin

Hanifin+Janko+1st+third for Couturier+2nd

Hanifin is a valuable piece, although Philly has very good young d-men. I suspect Philly has no desire to trade their best player who plays a very important position. Couturier is Bergeron like in his skill set.

But if for some reason Philly has to move him, you've given decent value.

oldschoolcalgary · 04-23-2019, 08:26 AM

couturier would be great... just can't see that happening without calgary giving up a significant asset for him... he's locked up of another 3 years at 4.1M

Patrick is a riskier proposition, much like the fans here discussing moving bennett... fans are loathe to give up on him (more so after the series versus the Avs) because you worry about him having the light go on somewhere else... like Strome in Chicago.

any thoughts on Schenn? might be a little easier to pry him out of StL compared to Couturier...

Saqe · 04-23-2019, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Hanifin is a valuable piece, although Philly has very good young d-men. I suspect Philly has no desire to trade their best player who plays a very important position. Couturier is Bergeron like in his skill set.

But if for some reason Philly has to move him, you've given decent value.

It's not about value though. So many of these proposals work for the Flames but not the other team. Even if the value is there, Philly has zero incentive to move Couturier and give up the best player on a great contract.

These proposals that don't consider the other team's needs are pure fantasy, value being decent or not.

Classic_Sniper · 04-23-2019, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rando

Neal consistently got ice time with Monahan and Gaudreau after each PK, as Lindholm needed a rotation off. Was also a permanent fixture on the 2nd PP unit throughout the season.

Say what you want about Jankowski's struggles but Neal's are his own.

This is correct and who’s to say that Neal didn’t hold Jankowski back? Jankowski did a fantastic job for a role player in his sophomore year. Did any one see that stat that showed how much better Jankowski and Bennett were away from Neal? Guy is an absolute anchor, just weighs everybody down.

Neal-Monahan-Gaudreau was just a brutal line too. Very few scoring chances/goals generated for the amount of shifts/ice time.

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VladtheImpaler · 04-23-2019, 10:15 AM

Let me throw this sausage out there for consideration...
Tkachuk is American, will extract every cent and will likely want to go elsewhere when he is able to. What about something around Tkachuk for Point? More likely that a local kid would want to stick around. In general, given the undesirability of Calgary as a destination, I think it behooves us to look to kids from Alberta/Sask...
Just throwing it out there as a discussion topic, since we have nothing else to do.

Mayo · 04-23-2019, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Let me throw this sausage out there for consideration...
Tkachuk is American, will extract every cent and will likely want to go elsewhere when he is able to. What about something around Tkachuk for Point? More likely that a local kid would want to stick around. In general, given the undesirability of Calgary as a destination, I think it behooves us to look to kids from Alberta/Sask...
Just throwing it out there as a discussion topic, since we have nothing else to do.

We don't need another little feller on this team disappearing every post season.

Tkachuk is a true asset year-round. I don't think he'll be desperate to leave.

transplant99 · 04-23-2019, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Let me throw this sausage out there for consideration...
Tkachuk is American, will extract every cent and will likely want to go elsewhere when he is able to. What about something around Tkachuk for Point? More likely that a local kid would want to stick around. In general, given the undesirability of Calgary as a destination, I think it behooves us to look to kids from Alberta/Sask...
Just throwing it out there as a discussion topic, since we have nothing else to do.

That would make the Flames even easier to play against than they were.

Point is a helluva player, but would he really help what ails Calgary? I say no.

Mayo · 04-23-2019, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mayo

We don't need another little feller on this team disappearing every post season.

Tkachuk is a true asset year-round. I don't think he'll be desperate to leave.

That was too harsh on Johnny, his line disappeared...but nonetheless you need some size and grit in playoffs and BP brings none of that.

8sPOT · 04-23-2019, 10:23 AM

I know its easier said than done, but look what Vegas did.

They basically added a top line to their team (Pacioretty, Stone, and Stastny) thus bumping the prior top line down a #2.

They did this without moving any of their top forwards.

If Treliving can achieve even 66% of this we would be in much better shape. So bring in 2 top forwards while keeping Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, and Backlund.

Get to work Mr. GM....

Toonage · 04-23-2019, 10:25 AM

Maybe Hayes is the answer on the top line. Supplant Lindholm on RW so he can be 2C, Backlund to 3C.

Bigger guy, makes a bit more room for Gaudreau. Isn't afraid to crash the net.

VladtheImpaler · 04-23-2019, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

That would make the Flames even easier to play against than they were.

Point is a helluva player, but would he really help what ails Calgary? I say no.

We can be even easier to play against?

Point addresses the C issue and (I believe) is easier on our cap and easier to keep long term (compared to Tkachuk). You can address size/sandpaper in separate transactions.

keenan87 · 04-23-2019, 10:50 AM

Trade 1: Sean Monahan for Filip Forsberg
Trade 2: TJ Brodie for 1st Round Pick + 4th Round Pick
Trade 3: Michael Stone for 6th Round Pick
Trade 4: Michael Frolik+Oliver Kylington + 1st Round for Ryan Getzlaf
Trade 5: 4th Round + 6th Round + James Neal for Michael Grabner
FA Signings: Kevin Hayes (6.0 mil), Cam Talbot (3.0 mil)
Other Signings: Matthew Tkachuk (7.0 mil), Sam Bennett (3.5 mil)

Tkachuk-Getzlaf-Forsberg
Gaudreau-Hayes-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Backlund-Bennett
Dube-Ryan-Grabner
Hathaway

Giordano-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Fantenberg/Yelesin

Rittich
Talbot

mrdonkey · 04-23-2019, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I know its easier said than done, but look what Vegas did.

They basically added a top line to their team (Pacioretty, Stone, and Stastny) thus bumping the prior top line down a #2.

They did this without moving any of their top forwards.

If Treliving can achieve even 66% of this we would be in much better shape. So bring in 2 top forwards while keeping Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, and Backlund.

Get to work Mr. GM....

It helps when you start the game with a massive wad of draft picks because of an overly predatory expansion draft.

The Cobra · 04-23-2019, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

Trade 5: 4th Round + 6th Round + James Neal for Michael Grabner

So, Grabner is better, cheaper and signed for less years than Neal.

Arizona must desperately want those crappy draft picks.

It would be very painful to currently get rid of Neal.

Vinny01 · 04-23-2019, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Let me throw this sausage out there for consideration...
Tkachuk is American, will extract every cent and will likely want to go elsewhere when he is able to. What about something around Tkachuk for Point? More likely that a local kid would want to stick around. In general, given the undesirability of Calgary as a destination, I think it behooves us to look to kids from Alberta/Sask...
Just throwing it out there as a discussion topic, since we have nothing else to do.

Change Tkachuk to Gaudreau and I would highly consider it.

VladtheImpaler · 04-23-2019, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Change Tkachuk to Gaudreau and I would highly consider it.

But for the salary cap, I agree.

keenan87 · 04-23-2019, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, Grabner is better, cheaper and signed for less years than Neal.

Arizona must desperately want those crappy draft picks.

It would be very painful to currently get rid of Neal.

I do understand what you are saying. However, it's not like Grabner had a very good season either with 16 points in 41 games. Both players are also the exact same age.

Grabner's Career PPG: 0.45 (167 goals in 594 games)

Neal's Career PPG: 0.67 (270 goals in 766 games)

I consider Grabner and Neal cap dumps at this point. Weirder deals have happened in the past and maybe the Coyotes can look to Neal as being the veteran on the team who has made the playoffs before. Not a lot of Coyotes players have done it much before. Maybe the Flames can add a prospect like Ruzicka too.