Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Adaptive Cruise Control is another must have feature, IMO. Yes it does make me a worse driver when entering less advanced vehicles, but the comfort and safety of highway driving with that feature is remarkable. Add in Lane assist and you're pretty much a self driving vehicle on the highway.

Adaptive cruise is useful for far more than just highway driving as it is an amazing thing to have when stuck in heavy, stop and go traffic. I don't think all adaptive systems are capable of low speed operation but when it is available it is great.

[TorqueDog]

Except when it kicks out driving east of Calgary due to radio interference and you can't use any cruise control because adaptive systems generally don't have a 'dumb cruise' mode.

Yeah, I fell out of love with driver assists pretty quickly.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Except when it kicks out driving east of Calgary due to radio interference and you can't use any cruise control because adaptive systems generally don't have a 'dumb cruise' mode.

Yeah, I fell out of love with driver assists pretty quickly.

I assume all vehicles can do dumb cruise if adaptive isn't available, what vehicle do you have that can't? I know with mine if the sensors/cameras are blocked it will do dumb cruise. I can also go into the vehicle settings are turn on/off adaptive cruise and just use dumb cruise.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

For me personally, I hate those things. In my Mercedes, I found they made me less aware of the things around me because the car was doing everything. Neither vehicle I own has them now, and I'm a more attentive driver for it.

I think driving in general is becoming more challenging with time because of the increase in traffic, the higher incidence of people with mental health problems, the quickening pace of life, technological change, overconfidence / under confidence, etc. IMO everyone, if he would or could admit it, makes the odd mistake driving at one time or another, and may say to himself, "that was a stupid thing of me to do".

IMO being super alert, although a necessity, is not always enough, when your fate rests with another driver. I believe arming yourself with anything that cuts down the odds of making a mistake is a good thing.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I assume all vehicles can do dumb cruise if adaptive isn't available, what vehicle do you have that can't? I know with mine if the sensors/cameras are blocked it will do dumb cruise. I can also go into the vehicle settings are turn on/off adaptive cruise and just use dumb cruise.

Tesla's can't do dumb cruise, which I guess is super annoying when the camera is dirty.

[#-3]

Some vehicles if the sensors are blocked, or there is any electrical problem related to steering / braking will lock you out of cruise entirely until you get the problem corrected. I've seen a Ford with adaptive cruise where basic cruise wouldn't turn on because the sensor popped off it's mount, and a Toyota where it wouldn't turn on because the ABS brake light was on.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Tesla's can't do dumb cruise, which I guess is super annoying when the camera is dirty.

Ah, I'm not surprised that Tesla can't do dumb cruise.

[STeeLy]

I drove a Nissan Rogue a few years back that also can't do dumb cruise.

[Monahammer]

My lexus is like CG's. I can turn off the Adaptive if i dont want it, but it does work even if the sensor is covered- or if it is completely mangled as i discovered after vaporizing a deer near Hinton.

[woob]

I'm not a fan of adapative cruise at all. All the other assists I don't mind, but adaptive cruise just annoys me.

[STeeLy]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I think driving in general is becoming more challenging with time because of the increase in traffic, the higher incidence of people with mental health problems, the quickening pace of life, technological change, overconfidence / under confidence, etc. IMO everyone, if he would or could admit it, makes the odd mistake driving at one time or another, and may say to himself, "that was a stupid thing of me to do".

IMO being super alert, although a necessity, is not always enough, when your fate rests with another driver. I believe arming yourself with anything that cuts down the odds of making a mistake is a good thing.

When your fate rests with another driver, no amount of technology in cars is going to keep you safe. Driver assists generally keeps the driver from causing an accident, but rarely keeps the driver safe from other drivers that cause the accidents.

If another driver without driver assist decides to change lanes into you, I don't know which driver assists you have that prevents the other drivers from changing lanes. If another driver decides to run a red while you're crossing the intersection, driver assist in your car is not going to make them stop.

Driver assist should be treated as tools that can be used but should certainly not be relied upon at all times. Operation of a vehicle starts and ends with the driver, so driver attentiveness should always be at the top.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I assume all vehicles can do dumb cruise if adaptive isn't available, what vehicle do you have that can't? I know with mine if the sensors/cameras are blocked it will do dumb cruise. I can also go into the vehicle settings are turn on/off adaptive cruise and just use dumb cruise.

Then that is a very flawed assumption and people should definitely research the type of vehicle they're buying to see if the adaptive cruise and other assists are dependent on radar. I had a 2014 Mercedes Benz E550, and it said right in the manual that the adaptive cruise control may not operate in areas of radio interference.

Here's all the systems that would shut off in the event of said interference:
- Distronic Plus (Adaptive Cruise Control)
- Active Lane Keeping Assist
- Active Blind Spot Assist
- PRESAFE Braking (obstacle and pedestrian detection system)

Basically turning the car into a dumb vehicle, but without any cruise control.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Except when it kicks out driving east of Calgary due to radio interference and you can't use any cruise control because adaptive systems generally don't have a 'dumb cruise' mode.

Yeah, I fell out of love with driver assists pretty quickly.

Is there a secret military installation I'm not aware of? Interesting, we've never had any issues east of Calgary with adaptive cruise but that's a pretty large area so maybe it's location specific?

[BlackArcher101]

Must be a Ford.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

Is there a secret military installation I'm not aware of? Interesting, we've never had any issues east of Calgary with adaptive cruise but that's a pretty large area so maybe it's location specific?

Probably drove by an interdimensional portal or a skinwalker.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

In the context of the original discussion? Yes.

IIRC transit buses have additional mirrors fitted to mitigate these blind spots.

as of last regional transit conference I went to ( June 2023) this was still a problem.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

My lexus is like CG's. I can turn off the Adaptive if i dont want it, but it does work even if the sensor is covered- or if it is completely mangled as i discovered after vaporizing a deer near Hinton.

It's actually law that those systems can manually be turned of, but most of the companies will also lock out the manual aspects of the system for liability reason if the car detects any error, so that you can't say "I was expecting the car to brake for me, but the cruise control drove right into that guy". they can you the date/time the error arose, and tell that you would not have been able to turn on the cruise at all.

If it's still not working for you, PM me, I know where you can get it fixed. If you had your car repaired they should have fixed it for you.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by #-3

It's actually law that those systems can manually be turned of, but most of the companies will also lock out the manual aspects of the system for liability reason if the car detects any error, so that you can't say "I was expecting the car to brake for me, but the cruise control drove right into that guy". they can you the date/time the error arose, and tell that you would not have been able to turn on the cruise at all.

If it's still not working for you, PM me, I know where you can get it fixed. If you had your car repaired they should have fixed it for you.

It was repaired well, thanks! It's one of the best features of my car and I drive the qe2 frequently... I would never have accepted it being down for long. I'm pretty reliant on it now tbh. I get aggravated when I drive the family around in the van without it and I come up behind people too quickly lol.

[indes]

My Hyundai Santa Fe PHEV didn't have dumb cruise control. It was such a piss off in the winter when snowing and the sensors would get covered. Not even a blizzard or icy roads or anything, just a light snowfall would kill the sensors and the cruise.

Ford Explorer has the option to turn it off though.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I assume all vehicles can do dumb cruise if adaptive isn't available, what vehicle do you have that can't? I know with mine if the sensors/cameras are blocked it will do dumb cruise. I can also go into the vehicle settings are turn on/off adaptive cruise and just use dumb cruise.

I would have assumed the same, both vehicles I have with adaptive cruise can both be switched to normal cruise just by holding the button on the steering wheel for a few seconds. Guess I just assumed all vehicles do that, seems insane to me that some can't