Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Doctorfever]

Desperate times.

Not a lot of difference between Liberals and Conservatives

Sometimes we mention Harper. And, if we are really serious, we add an extra r or two.

Must be an election around the corner.

Why are people, young people especially looking for an alternative to our current government? Because they need to be able to work hard and get somewhere in life. They should be able to work hard and save up to buy a house. They can’t.

Might be a #### you, got mine Liberal attitude that is bringing them down. Heaving forbid the current corrupt government actually listens to the voters and try and fix at least some of their #### ups, maybe they would be able to appeal to the young, future voters in this country.


Ohhhh. I almost forgot, I posted this article, you need to prove it Wong, it doesn’t matter who the author is or what his views are. lol.
Good times, goooood times.

The extra o’s mean I’m really serious. Hahaha

[Winsor_Pilates]

Canadian politics. Communists saying don't vote for fascists saying don't vote for Communists.
Round and round we go.

[PepsiFree]

Indigenous people are mentioning Harper. How dare they. Also, are they fear mongering? Should probably talk down to them just in case.

But Poilievre's speech was met with anger and disappointment by those who said it failed to mention missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls, inherent Indigenous rights, the climate crisis, residential school survivors and whether he would support a proposed $47.8-billion child welfare settlement.

"If you're working to be the next prime minister in Canada, it tells me you have a lot of education to do in those fronts," said Judy Wilson, a Secwepemcúl'ecw member from British Columbia.

The reaction to Thursday's speech also revealed long-standing grievances that date back to the previous Conservative government of Stephen Harper, in which Poilievre served as a cabinet minister, and suggested the new Conservative leader may face an uphill battle as he attempts to build relationships between his party and Indigenous People.

"Obviously, we have a history of the Conservative party going back to the Harper years. It hadn't been very conclusive," said AFN Quebec Regional Chief Ghislain Picard.

…

Poilievre has been criticized for comments he made in 2008 — just hours before Harper made the apology to residential school survivors — that Indigenous people needed to learn "the values of hard work and independence and self-reliance." He also criticized a $1.9-billion settlement to residential school survivors, saying the government was not "getting value for all of this money." He later apologized for his comments.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...7030b.amp.html

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Canadian politics. Communists saying don't vote for fascists saying don't vote for Communists.
Round and round we go.

Reminder, there is only one federal leader using terms like "radical woke socialists" to describe other federal parties. If you are bothered by the discourse, well, that's what started the conversation.

[Ozy_Flame]

I watched his response to some of those questions. He immediately went to the "smaller government, less taxes, more jobs, then you can make your own decisions" defense. Then for other issues that were brought up, he just bucketed them into "we'll work with you on those in the future". So in other words, a prototypical Conservative response - all social ills can be solved by solving taxes and giving jobss.

His face also twitched when they said the 10 years under the Harper regime were terrible. He didn't like that lol

[Fuzz]

Has Pierre ever said what parts of government he is going to axe? If he is promising to make it smaller, what are we losing?

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Canadian politics. Communists saying don't vote for fascists saying don't vote for Communists.
Round and round we go.

This is exactly it. What sparked the whole 'fascist rhetoric' conversation in this thread was that in his Canada Day address PP slandered Socialism. The conversations in this thread are more about Marxists and socialists getting bent out of shape that socialism was likened to Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini etc. and they are firing back the most verbose version of the 'I know you are but what am I?' defense I have ever seen.

[Fuzz]

Well it's a good thing we can say all of our federal leaders are above such meaningless petty message board chatter and exaggerations, right? Oh. Well almost all of them.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Has Pierre ever said what parts of government he is going to axe? If he is promising to make it smaller, what are we losing?

He will just follow the UCP's example.........

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Might be a #### you, got mine Liberal attitude that is bringing them down.

Lol, the '#### you, got mine' mindset is the tried, tested and true classic hallmark of a conservative voter. Why do you think conservative parties at all levels tend to attract older voters? They enable policies that benefit the wealthy and powerful - they always have. '#### you got mine' should literally be flying on a flag at the Alberta Legislature right now with that current (and deplorable) regime.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Has Pierre ever said what parts of government he is going to axe? If he is promising to make it smaller, what are we losing?

CBC is numero uno

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by edslunch

CBC is numero uno

Ya, great. Destroying Canadian institutions is a time honoured Reform tradition.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well it's a good thing we can say all of our federal leaders are above such meaningless petty message board chatter and exaggerations, right? Oh. Well almost all of them.

Living off the tears of conservatives crying about the term “fascist rhetoric” while calling people communists and their leader compares Canada to Nazi Germany.

“That’s FEAR mongering!”

lol

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

This is exactly it. What sparked the whole 'fascist rhetoric' conversation in this thread was that in his Canada Day address PP slandered Socialism. The conversations in this thread are more about Marxists and socialists getting bent out of shape that socialism was likened to Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini etc. and they are firing back the most verbose version of the 'I know you are but what am I?' defense I have ever seen.

Can people still poke fun at the irony of a guy who claims to hate socialism but isn’t running on removing the existing socialist programs and is even boasting about new ones in his current platform on the campaign trail?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Muta

Lol, the '#### you, got mine' mindset is the tried, tested and true classic hallmark of a conservative voter. Why do you think conservative parties at all levels tend to attract older voters? They enable policies that benefit the wealthy and powerful - they always have. '#### you got mine' should literally be flying on a flag at the Alberta Legislature right now with that current (and deplorable) regime.

The funny thing is I have benefited significantly from the Liberals poor immigration policies that have driven prices up. I have children, so am more concerned about their future than my present situation. So voting Liberal is a non-starter, even though I have benefited from their ####-ups.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Why are people, young people especially looking for an alternative to our current government? Because they need to be able to work hard and get somewhere in life. They should be able to work hard and save up to buy a house. They can’t.

I completely understand people’s frustrations regarding finding good jobs and being able to afford a house, I’m not sure I understand how they think the CPC are going to help them in those areas. Even if for example the CPC get rid of the carbon tax, without getting into the rebates debate that couple of hundred dollars they would hypothetically be saving annually isn’t likely to put them in a position to afford a home if they can’t do so now. And even if more homes get built than their currently are it’s not going to lower the existing prices either.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I completely understand people’s frustrations regarding finding good jobs and being able to afford a house, I’m not sure I understand how they think the CPC are going to help them in those areas. Even if for example the CPC get rid of the carbon tax, without getting into the rebates debate that couple of hundred dollars they would hypothetically be saving annually isn’t likely to put them in a position to afford a home if they can’t do so now. And even if more homes get built than their currently are it’s not going to lower the existing prices either.

Families will be better off when they build more homes and cancel the carbon tax… and cancel the childcare subsidy, climate action incentive, carbon tax rebate, and whatever other extremist socialisms they hate.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I completely understand people’s frustrations regarding finding good jobs and being able to afford a house, I’m not sure I understand how they think the CPC are going to help them in those areas. Even if for example the CPC get rid of the carbon tax, without getting into the rebates debate that couple of hundred dollars they would hypothetically be saving annually isn’t likely to put them in a position to afford a home if they can’t do so now. And even if more homes get built than their currently are it’s not going to lower the existing prices either.

What’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Current government isn’t working. If we expect that we should vote them in again and things will improve, that is insane.

[Fuzz]

That's not the definition of insanity, but I'm not surprised you are misinformed on that, too.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

What’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Current government isn’t working. If we expect that we should vote them in again and things will improve, that is insane.

I didn’t say anything about voting in the same government. Perhaps you should re-read my post.

Looking at the polling numbers it appears the majority of voters who you described as having concerns around having good jobs to be able to afford homes are looking to one party to solve those issues for them, but I don’t see where that party is actually addressing those issues.

To your point on the definition of insanity, do you think Canadians as a whole voting for change every 10 years for the sake of change regardless of policies fits that billing?