American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[photon]

Lol it's Republicans that are making Swift an issue. Probably to distract from the fact Trump had his cultists kill the border deal to help his reelection chances.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Welp, politics was already a Frankenstein of celebrity cultism created by Trump, it would stand to reason more celebrity obsessions would impact the same domain.

And it may be sad, but it's reality. Can't turn a blind eye.

One could argue it started with Reagan, or even JFK. It's nothing new. Trotting out celebrities to promote (or perhaps lead such as I've seen as it relates to Swift) the party is a tried and true tactic. It's just pathetic.
Like last election, having Lada Gaga dress up in camo, lean against a pickup truck as she swills beer in a attempt to woo conservative types is as embarrassing as Kid Rock doing whatever the hell he's doing.
Just stop.

[Ozy_Flame]

Of course it is. But Trump has create a new level of celebrity cult of personality. It's his brand. At least JFK and Reagan had the gumption to generally separate the two professions.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Holy ####ing hell.



I've never been so happy to be in the minority. That's also disturbingly high for any singular artist. I doubt you could get 53% of people to agree on the same musical genre, much less an artist.

Why does it make you so happy to be in the minority? I just bought Reputation and folklore on vinyl because I think they're both damn good albums. Midnights is also phenomenal. I'm not a huge fan of her early work, but everything from Reputation onward is fantastic in my mind.

And I say this as someone who mostly listens to punk, metal, hardcore, as well as indie and hip hop.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Why does it make you so happy to be in the minority? I just bought Reputation and folklore on vinyl because I think they're both damn good albums. Midnights is also phenomenal. I'm not a huge fan of her early work, but everything from Reputation onward is fantastic in my mind.

And I say this as someone who mostly listens to punk, metal, hardcore, as well as indie and hip hop.

Hating popular things makes you interesting!

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Azure

Wow isn't it sad how the media and rag pieces like Business Insider keep distracting everyone from actual election time issues.

If only the politicians would also adhere to your desire.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Why does it make you so happy to be in the minority? I just bought Reputation and folklore on vinyl because I think they're both damn good albums. Midnights is also phenomenal. I'm not a huge fan of her early work, but everything from Reputation onward is fantastic in my mind.

And I say this as someone who mostly listens to punk, metal, hardcore, as well as indie and hip hop.

Originally Posted by nik-

Hating popular things makes you interesting!

Yeah, and also don't forget, not liking something is apparently more fun than liking something.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by Azure

Back to more serious things even though I know its hard to not get distracted by what the media is doing to literally distract everyone.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752691170734707112

There is, however, an emerging trend even in the Republican primaries where Trump is significantly underperforming the polling. Further, I know that polling methodologies are having enormous issues capturing balanced "pools" as contact technologies change and whole portions of the voting demographic no longer respond to traditional "random contact" methodologies. Further, more in-depth voter analysis shows some significant cliff drop-offs based on whether Trump is convicted in certain of the legal proceedings.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-election-2024

TLDR - Polls may not be saying useful things, at this point.

[nik-]

They're missing Ohio, the biggest swing state. What's going on there? I mean I think I can guess, but it's a weird omission.

edit: wrong, PA is 2 more votes. Still a big chunk.

[Ped]

Polls are just unreliable. Quinnipac's poll showed Biden leading, and we've seen in Canada over several elections now, that the polls aren't always showing what is actually happening.

[ResAlien]

I’m sure that Dean Phillips, the guy trying to primary a sitting president, only provided the most strenuously vetted and impartial polling data available

[dino7c]

Trump is also currently campaigning

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't know what will happen, but I do know that the Democrats going with status Joe is the worst idea possible.

From what perspective?
Historically and statistically, no one beats someone they've already lost a general election to. Especially when the person who beat them is the incumbent president (also historically difficult to defeat in a general election) who also happens to be leading the only successful economy on the planet today, AND who may get the bonus kicker of being in an active war (let's see what Iran does over the next few weeks.)

Let's play identity politics:

you have two old white men, both who are mentally feeble (I maintain DJT is much more mentally compromised than ol'joe, but sure), both who are physically unfit (at least joe can wipe his own ass), and both of whom have troubling families (Do i need to comment here?). One is a loser and one is a winner in head to head. Winner wins again.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by photon

Lol it's Republicans that are making Swift an issue. Probably to distract from the fact Trump had his cultists kill the border deal to help his reelection chances.

Trump and Republicans are worried that Taylor Swift will get all her devoted fans to vote for Biden. Mind you she voted for Biden in 2020.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I wonder what some of those swing state voters are looking for from Biden. Economy is doing well, inflation is coming down, unemployment is near record lows, something like 14 million jobs created since he took office.

Trump left office as the worst job creation president in modern history. His best year was worse than Biden's worst year. Yes, Covid played a part in that for sure, but the guy that was wondering if the sun would just get rid of it or if you could swallow Clorox or whatever, or take animal vaccines surely deserves a massive percentage of the blame for being responsible for so many deaths in that country and for getting back to normal so much slower than was needed. He was in charge and really couldn't have handled it any worse.

Almost 100 criminal counts against him, liable for sexual assault, 2 impeachments, classified documents in his bathroom, instigating an insurrection to destroy the country's democracy, etc.

Yeah.......let's vote him back in.

Lindsay Graham is a pos, but he was right about one thing back in 2016: If they vote him in, they'll deserve everything they get.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Dion

Trump and Republicans are worried that Taylor Swift will get all her devoted fans to vote for Biden. Mind you she voted for Biden in 2020.

She also voted for the Dem candidate in Tennessee during the mid-terms and encouraged thousands of young people to register to vote, as I’m sure she’ll do during this election as well. Republicans are definitely terrified of a Swiftie blue wave, and rightfully so. They know that if enough women and younger voters under 30 get off their asses and vote, the GOP is toast.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Holy ####ing hell.

I've never been so happy to be in the minority. That's also disturbingly high for any singular artist. I doubt you could get 53% of people to agree on the same musical genre, much less an artist.

I have never listened to any of her songs and frankly knew very little about her. until The NFL and Chiefs started reporting about her and Kelce. It's not my type of music that I would listen to. For Taylor to do what she has done is amazing. I can't remember any singer being as popular as he is.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I wonder what some of those swing state voters are looking for from Biden. Economy is doing well, inflation is coming down, unemployment is near record lows, something like 14 million jobs created since he took office.

Trump left office as the worst job creation president in modern history. His best year was worse than Biden's worst year. Yes, Covid played a part in that for sure, but the guy that was wondering if the sun would just get rid of it or if you could swallow Clorox or whatever, or take animal vaccines surely deserves a massive percentage of the blame for being responsible for so many deaths in that country and for getting back to normal so much slower than was needed. He was in charge and really couldn't have handled it any worse.

Almost 100 criminal counts against him, liable for sexual assault, 2 impeachments, classified documents in his bathroom, instigating an insurrection to destroy the country's democracy, etc.

Yeah.......let's vote him back in.

Lindsay Graham is a pos, but he was right about one thing back in 2016: If they vote him in, they'll deserve everything they get.

There is so much disinformation going on in the States that I could see how voters may not get the true info on Binden and what he has done for the economy.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I wonder what some of those swing state voters are looking for from Biden. Economy is doing well, inflation is coming down, unemployment is near record lows, something like 14 million jobs created since he took office.

Those are mostly abstract things. In terms of Real Income, most swing states aren't doing as well. Wisconsin's Real Median Income peaked in 2019, but is currently below where it was in the 1990s. Ohio's also peaked in 2019, and is now at year 2000 levels. Michigan hit its 2nd highest level in 2019, but is now just about where it was in the late '80s.

That's not to say that Trump's policies won't just make that worse, because they likely almost surely will. But for people who have seen 5-10% drops in Real Wages since 2019 like virtually every swing state has, a hot stock market or high GDP numbers aren't particularly convincing. "America is already great" didn't work for Clinton in 2016 because people in swing states weren't happy, and I doubt "the economy is doing great" will work in those places now.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I wonder what some of those swing state voters are looking for from Biden. Economy is doing well, inflation is coming down, unemployment is near record lows, something like 14 million jobs created since he took office.

Trump left office as the worst job creation president in modern history. His best year was worse than Biden's worst year. Yes, Covid played a part in that for sure, but the guy that was wondering if the sun would just get rid of it or if you could swallow Clorox or whatever, or take animal vaccines surely deserves a massive percentage of the blame for being responsible for so many deaths in that country and for getting back to normal so much slower than was needed. He was in charge and really couldn't have handled it any worse.

Almost 100 criminal counts against him, liable for sexual assault, 2 impeachments, classified documents in his bathroom, instigating an insurrection to destroy the country's democracy, etc.

Yeah.......let's vote him back in.

Lindsay Graham is a pos, but he was right about one thing back in 2016: If they vote him in, they'll deserve everything they get.

Couldn’t have said that better myself.