American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Drak

Twitter is a medium used by both left, right and those in between.

On twitter, "she's ugly" is a more offensive statement than "kill all white people."

[Senator Clay Davis]

Speaking of Twitter, if you're a fan of mental gymnastics I'd go on there right now and watch all the Trump cultists trying to defend leaving out Saudi Arabia (home of the vast majority of 9/11 attackers) from the Muslim ban. If you followed their line of thinking during the election, Hillary Clinton hated all women because the Clinton Foundation took Saudi money. Now some of them are straight up saying the Saudi's aren't involved in terrorism at all (even as the likely #1 or #2 financiers of ISIS...). Funny ####.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Disagree with a guy = inane musings?
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Calling Twitter left leaning isn't inane musings?
Twitter is a medium, not a media outlet.

[IliketoPuck]

You guys are getting rusty at dealing with higher level trolling.

It's been low level trolling around here for so long you've become complacent.

I for one welcome our new trolling over lord. (Jk)

All jokes aside. A sincere welcome back Peter. The board is better for it.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

My favorite part of peter's attempt to make Twitter some kind of left wing bubble is Trump never would have won the election without Twitter. I doubt he spends all that much time on Twitter, if any at all. It's probably very close to a 50/50 split, with a slight lean towards more right wingers on it.

I doubt that many of the hardcore, Redneck, conservative base is actually on Twitter. They may have seen Trump's tweets being reported by the media but I don't think they are an active part of Twitter.

[Wormius]

So trolling makes the forums better? Got it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I doubt that many of the hardcore, Redneck, conservative base is actually on Twitter. They may have seen Trump's tweets being reported by the media but I don't think they are an active part of Twitter.

Actually it's the extremes of both sides that generally dominate political discourse on Twitter (if you wanna call trolling and baiting "discourse"). They are the most active part of Twitter because they are the angriest people, and the angriest people need a forum.

[Mr.Coffee]

The lines are a bit blurry to me in terms of different opinion vs. "Trolling".

If it isn't the groupthink consensus it must be trolling I guess.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Saying Twitter is a left wing fake news tool is the very definition of trolling. Peter is well aware that's not even remotely true (and if anything the opposite is true, it's a right wing fake news tool), but he also is well aware it's going to provoke a response. Peter doesn't troll all the time, but everyone who's been on here long enough knows what he's bringing to the table.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The lines are a bit blurry to me in terms of different opinion vs. "Trolling".

If it isn't the groupthink consensus it must be trolling I guess.

Have you always been such a stick in the mud or is this something I've just started to notice?

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Wormius

So trolling makes the forums better? Got it.

Oh cmon. Don't take things so seriously.

Peter is a great contributor that doesn't feel the need to always toe the party consensus line.

The board is better with him than without.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Have you always been such a stick in the mud or is this something I've just started to notice?

Haha maybe just lately I dunno? Getting old I guess?

[Drak]

Just heading out but I'm seeing a few reports about 3-4 Russian spies bagged in the last month or so by Putin. Gotta hit the road I'll search more in depth at stops. Interesting though considering Trump received intel, and Putin clamps down.

One man was murdered in his car apparently, and was tied to Christopher Steele (Dossier fella).

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The lines are a bit blurry to me in terms of different opinion vs. "Trolling".



If it isn't the groupthink consensus it must be trolling I guess.

Putting out a thought that is patently wrong, with nothing to back it up is pretty much trolling. It's just to get a reaction from as many people as possible.

Maybe people like to see the little red badge on the bottom of tapatalk and they get some boost of endorphins when they see that they been quoted by a bunch of people.

[peter12]

Sorry, I should've clarified.

The ideological partisanship cleaving American democracy apart finds its echo chamber on Twitter. Yes, the alt-right uses it yes, Trump uses it; yes, every single grotesque Putin-bot uses it; and yes, every single hysterical left-winger uses it as well.

It has become a hub for unsubstantiated rumour, gossip, and outright lies. So, all I was doing was casting shade at some rumours on Twitter turning into a massive story.

My rule these days is a) to stay off the platform (I deleted my account yesterday), and b) only trust stories where a journalist quotes an actual source on record.

[Ozy_Flame]

Oh please, and the rest of mainstream social media outlets are not the same mechanism for the same thing? Television, radio, films, newspapers, books, etc. - how are these any different?

Saw a picture the other day (here on CP) of the White House library (I think it was that) showcasing Trump's books on display. How is that any different.

If you're going to call out Twitter, call out all media outlets. Classic case of it being the message, not the medium, that is the problem.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Oh please, and the rest of mainstream social media outlets are not the same mechanism for the same thing? Television, radio, films, newspapers, books, etc. - how are these any different?

Saw a picture the other day (here on CP) of the White House library (I think it was that) showcasing Trump's books on display. How is that any different.

If you're going to call out Twitter, call out all media outlets. Classic case of it being the message, not the medium, that is the problem.

Yeah, it is all pretty bad. I have just been subscribing to quarterly's or monthly's for my news now. The news cycle is completely out of control. Twitter just amplifies it by a million times.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Oh cmon. Don't take things so seriously.

Peter is a great contributor that doesn't feel the need to always toe the party consensus line.

The board is better with him than without.

That's like saying that we are much better off with the alt-right having access to to the media and considered a viable voice in the conversation.

The problem I have with Peter is the same problem I have with Corsi. Both spend way too much time arguing over philosophy and definition rather than the issue itself. Define you term and move on. Bickering over your interpretation of the meaning of a word, or whether your philosophical position is more accurate than the next guy, is counterproductive to good conversation or rhetoric. Groupthink has nothing to do it. It has everything to distraction and obfuscation from the actual issues being discussed. I welcome Peter's intellect. His ability to derail a thread with a banal argument of the abstract is just annoying and unnecessary.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by New Era

That's like saying that we are much better off with the alt-right having access to to the media and considered a viable voice in the conversation.

The problem I have with Peter is the same problem I have with Corsi. Both spend way too much time arguing over philosophy and definition rather than the issue itself. Define you term and move on. Bickering over your interpretation of the meaning of a word, or whether your philosophical position is more accurate than the next guy, is counterproductive to good conversation or rhetoric. Groupthink has nothing to do it. It has everything to distraction and obfuscation from the actual issues being discussed. I welcome Peter's intellect. His ability to derail a thread with a banal argument of the abstract is just annoying and unnecessary.

Okay. Don't use Twitter as a source just because it supports something you already believe. That's my issue.

I actually give far more ground up on issues than you pretend to believe. If I want something clarified or corrected, it's only because I think that the argument has been derailed by ideological bias, which, yes, is something I have as well. I think what I try to do (and Corsi too) is get some actual foundation to an argument before continuing on down a path which really just turns into partisan bickering along parallel but never intersecting lines of attack. Not to say that isn't a good thing sometimes.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by peter12

Okay. Don't use Twitter as a source just because it supports something you already believe. That's my issue.

Agree wholeheartedly Peter. Social media is not a place for finding news. Social media is for social interests, not finding facts or truth.

BTW... welcome back!