Ukraine Presidential Crackdown Violence. Russia Invades Ukraine

[lanny9]

Canada sending 1000 trips to Europe on the request from NATO, this world is going to hell in a hand basket really quickly! Immediate large scale sanctions need to be imposed, this includes pressuring China to acknowledge Russia' s movements and to file up with their own sanctions. Putin needs to be stopped as Poland, Estonia etc will be next.

[lanny9]

We(the west) also need to arm the Ukrainian forces.

[lanny9]

Ukraine " Russian full scale invasion" underway....

[nik-]

I, for one, am looking forward to a strongly worded, hollow statement from Ban-Ki Moon.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by nik-

I, for one, am looking forward to a strongly worded, hollow statement from Ban-Ki Moon.

What do you want him to do, declare war?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by nik-

I, for one, am looking forward to a strongly worded, hollow statement from Ban-Ki Moon.

The UN is ridiculous right now. Militant groups just captured 43 UN troops in the demilitiruzed zone outside of Syria, and the UN is totally helpless.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

What do you want him to do, declare war?

At this point it would be less embarrassing for them if he just said nothing.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by blankall

The UN is ridiculous right now. Militant groups just captured 43 UN troops in the demilitiruzed zone outside of Syria, and the UN is totally helpless.

The UN has been helpless for years, trust me.

[nik-]

The UN died in Rwanda.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by nik-

The UN died in Rwanda.

It was on life support long before that.........

[Aeneas]

Originally Posted by blankall

The UN is ridiculous right now. Militant groups just captured 43 UN troops in the demilitiruzed zone outside of Syria, and the UN is totally helpless.

I will never forget the poor Belgian peacekeepers that gave up their weapons, and then were killed.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Aeneas

I will never forget the poor Belgian peacekeepers that gave up their weapons, and then were killed.

It just blows my mind that either the UN would not properly arm their troops in that scenario our their troops would be so badly trained they would allow that many soldiers to be captured.

That many soldiers with proper training and arms should have been able to hold off hundreds of militants.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by blankall

It just blows my mind that either the UN would not properly arm their troops in that scenario our their troops would be so badly trained they would allow that many soldiers to be captured.

That many soldiers with proper training and arms should have been able to hold off hundreds of militants.

Sorry, just a couple of points (if I am wrong please forgive me, cuz this is from memory).

The UN does not have troops, nor does it arm them or train them. The UN draws from it's member nations, some have good militaries, some have poor militaries.

The country/parties that accept Peacekeepers also set out what type of weapons the Peacekeepers can bring into the country (for example UNPROFOR was not meant to have anything bigger than a .50 cal. Luckly when the RCR move down on Roto 0, they were smart enough to bring, TOW, mortars, Carl G and M72. As an aside thank #### they brought all that clobber down. At the time the Yugo was such a #### show nobody really tracked what the different nations brought with them, which might example how the Nepalese showed up with only rifles and no vehicles, and the Argies showed up with only soft skinned vehicles.


The soldiers lack of training is not what got them captured and killed, rather it was their training that got them captured and killed. The troops that were captured and killed were from a good professional NATO army. They were well trained and most likely motivated. The reason I say their training got them killed is they were most likely not allowed to engage. As professionals they know they are to follow orders, sometimes following the lack of orders.

You are correct that the UN is (IMO) ar fault for the death of those soldiers, but it isn't because they trained them poorly, or equipqed them, rather it was the dithering of UN politicians and bureaucrats that caused the death of those soldiers.


Sorry, but those soldiers were professionals, and should not be viewed and anything less.

[FlameOn]

I just saw on CTV an interview with the Ukrainian rebel commander... he said that the Russian troops (up to 4000 Russian troops w/ 20k in reserve at the border from what CTV reported) were "volunteers" fighting for Russian unification. What a load of crap... clearly there is not enough popular support for Russian unification if you need foreign troops to do your fighting and is nothing short of a Russian invasion.

The spin is just incredible. This has got to be one of the slowest invasions in history though... and Putin will likely keep on going if it continues working for him.

[Aeneas]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sorry, just a couple of points (if I am wrong please forgive me, cuz this is from memory).

The UN does not have troops, nor does it arm them or train them. The UN draws from it's member nations, some have good militaries, some have poor militaries.

The country/parties that accept Peacekeepers also set out what type of weapons the Peacekeepers can bring into the country (for example UNPROFOR was not meant to have anything bigger than a .50 cal. Luckly when the RCR move down on Roto 0, they were smart enough to bring, TOW, mortars, Carl G and M72. As an aside thank #### they brought all that clobber down. At the time the Yugo was such a #### show nobody really tracked what the different nations brought with them, which might example how the Nepalese showed up with only rifles and no vehicles, and the Argies showed up with only soft skinned vehicles.


The soldiers lack of training is not what got them captured and killed, rather it was their training that got them captured and killed. The troops that were captured and killed were from a good professional NATO army. They were well trained and most likely motivated. The reason I say their training got them killed is they were most likely not allowed to engage. As professionals they know they are to follow orders, sometimes following the lack of orders.

You are correct that the UN is (IMO) ar fault for the death of those soldiers, but it isn't because they trained them poorly, or equipqed them, rather it was the dithering of UN politicians and bureaucrats that caused the death of those soldiers.


Sorry, but those soldiers were professionals, and should not be viewed and anything less.

Were these UN soldiers (in Syria) mostly from the Philippines? I wonder if they were ordered not to engage.
I know the Belgians murdered in Rwanda followed orders to hand over their weapons.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

What do you want him to do, declare war?

Someone is probably going to have to eventually.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Aeneas

Were these UN soldiers (in Syria) mostly from the Philippines? I wonder if they were ordered not to engage.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/armed-gr...pped-1.1980478

UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said the 43 detained peacekeepers are from Fiji and are thought to be in the southern part of the area of separation. The 81 troops from the Philippines had their movements restricted.

I know the Belgians murdered in Rwanda followed orders to hand over their weapons.

Even worse than inaction......

Supports their professional, only a trained professional soldiers would hand over his weapon knowing the possible repercussions.

[FlameOn]

Russia's human rights council leader admits this is an invasion. She'll likely be disappeared shortly

A member of President Vladimir Putin's advisory council on human rights, Ella Polyakova, said on Thursday she believed Russia was carrying out an invasion of Ukraine.

http://news.yahoo.com/rights-adviser...105913686.html

[blankall]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sorry, just a couple of points (if I am wrong please forgive me, cuz this is from memory).

The UN does not have troops, nor does it arm them or train them. The UN draws from it's member nations, some have good militaries, some have poor militaries.

The country/parties that accept Peacekeepers also set out what type of weapons the Peacekeepers can bring into the country (for example UNPROFOR was not meant to have anything bigger than a .50 cal. Luckly when the RCR move down on Roto 0, they were smart enough to bring, TOW, mortars, Carl G and M72. As an aside thank #### they brought all that clobber down. At the time the Yugo was such a #### show nobody really tracked what the different nations brought with them, which might example how the Nepalese showed up with only rifles and no vehicles, and the Argies showed up with only soft skinned vehicles.


The soldiers lack of training is not what got them captured and killed, rather it was their training that got them captured and killed. The troops that were captured and killed were from a good professional NATO army. They were well trained and most likely motivated. The reason I say their training got them killed is they were most likely not allowed to engage. As professionals they know they are to follow orders, sometimes following the lack of orders.

You are correct that the UN is (IMO) ar fault for the death of those soldiers, but it isn't because they trained them poorly, or equipqed them, rather it was the dithering of UN politicians and bureaucrats that caused the death of those soldiers.


Sorry, but those soldiers were professionals, and should not be viewed and anything less.

No matter how you look at it the UN sent in soldiers with inappropriate training and weapons into a very dangerous situation. It doesn't really matter who did the training. If the UN instructed soldiers to stand down in that situation, that was wildly inappropriate.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by blankall

No matter how you look at it the UN sent in soldiers with inappropriate training and weapons into a very dangerous situation. It doesn't really matter who did the training. If the UN instructed soldiers to stand down in that situation, that was wildly inappropriate.

The training was not the problem. They were good professional soldiers.

It sits squarely in the shoulders of the UN.