Justin Trudeau says marijuana should be legalized

[AcGold]

In my opinion the worst thing going for legalization is the absolute ridiculous nature of the strains and the industry in general. The perspective that people want it legalized just for recreation makes sense when there are so many strains with names like Strawberry Cough, LSD and Greencrack. The whole thing is so unregulated and carefree that the products reflect that, unfortunately.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

I'm not bumping this thread to get such a silly debate going on again. Just wanted to post this article which should put the "legalization increases teen usage" argument to rest.

https://fee.org/articles/after-legal...edium=facebook

Seems pretty obvious that if you reduce/remove the black market, it's harder for teens to access marijuana.

[troutman]

Yes, an article by FEE should put everything to rest.

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http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Foundat...omic_Education

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by troutman

Yes, an article by FEE should put everything to rest.

The Foundation for Economic Education (FEE) is the premier source for understanding the humane values of a free society and the economic, legal, and ethical principles that make it possible. At FEE, you’re connected with a global community of individuals who are inspired by the ideas of free association, free markets, entrepreneurship, and a diverse civil society.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Foundat...omic_Education

http://time.com/4378142/colorado-tee...-legalization/
http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/28/12...age-use-survey
https://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/2...a-no-increase/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-to-your-kids/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7096251.html

Are any of these credible enough for you?

[GreenLantern2814]

Last week, I was in Montreal for my cousin's wedding. The first night we were there, my cousin took us to a club after the cocktail hour for out of town guests; there was a 60 oz bottle of vodka at the table waiting for us with a few different mixes in a bucket of ice.

I would say, 90 minutes after arrival, I was in an ambulance. I woke up at 730 the next morning on a gurney in a hallway at St Luke's. I had broken no laws (depending on how you view drunk in public), yet I put someone at risk who might have actually needed an ambulance more critically than my drunk ass.

I told this story to several people. Their initial shock about the hospital was quickly replaced by amusement. Fair enough. I didn't think it was funny, and still don't. I left my sister alone in a nightclub, worried my parents and risked the health and well being of someone else (potentially/likely whatever ). Nobody seemed to see it that way, and in fact many were asking me why I wasn't drinking at the wedding the next night.

So to me, a culture that can instantly forgive getting blackout drunk and taking up an ambulance can chill out about weed. Weed has never put me in the hospital.

[peter12]

I really tend to go with what I argued earlier - that legalization is just a boilerplate sticker for larger cultural and economic forces, which greatly influence youth. See the study about the Dutch experience that I posted earlier.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Last week, I was in Montreal for my cousin's wedding. The first night we were there, my cousin took us to a club after the cocktail hour for out of town guests; there was a 60 oz bottle of vodka at the table waiting for us with a few different mixes in a bucket of ice.

I would say, 90 minutes after arrival, I was in an ambulance. I woke up at 730 the next morning on a gurney in a hallway at St Luke's. I had broken no laws (depending on how you view drunk in public), yet I put someone at risk who might have actually needed an ambulance more critically than my drunk ass.

I told this story to several people. Their initial shock about the hospital was quickly replaced by amusement. Fair enough. I didn't think it was funny, and still don't. I left my sister alone in a nightclub, worried my parents and risked the health and well being of someone else (potentially/likely whatever ). Nobody seemed to see it that way, and in fact many were asking me why I wasn't drinking at the wedding the next night.

So to me, a culture that can instantly forgive getting blackout drunk and taking up an ambulance can chill out about weed. Weed has never put me in the hospital.

How many people were drinking out of that 60?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by rubecube

How many people were drinking out of that 60?

Probably 8-12; the details are a little fuzzy.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Probably 8-12; the details are a little fuzzy.

Lightweights.

[AcGold]

Firsthand: since I've gotten my medical license my life has drastically improved. It actually is medicinal.

Ailments:
-nerve damage
-muscle spasms
-insomnia
-mood swings

Since I started cannabis all of that started healing. On top of that I moved my career opportunities forward exponentially and now have numerous jobs (that are not killing me). I have scans of my neck (from December) showing the injuries accrued and 7 months later it's way better (~80% healed). Cannabis on it's own didn't do everything but it provided the motivation after work to put in another hour or two doing yoga, eating healthy. getting organized and working on networking/career opportunities.

Earlier this month I had a job interview that I was going to skip out on because I was suffering so badly due to a neck strain and a few puffs changed my perspective, did the interview medicated and was offered the job on the spot with an international software company (I'm not advocating this but in this specific situation it truly did help and now I have $ in my bank account because of that day).

It's improved my life so dramatically in every way I recommend anyone with severe nerve/muscle issues consider it. I went from miserable SOB to kind of normal and my life is getting better every day. If I never got the medical license I'd still be working at a deadend job depressed with no hope. Obviously it's not bereft of negative effects (and by no stretch would I ever insinuate that) but from my perspective it truly is medicinal in the right circumstance. I might quit when the neck issues go away but I couldn't be happier now, it's like a second chance at life.

[Cyclops]

That's awesome, great to hear that it's helping you out. I wonder how many people are suffering that could use it but can't because of the stigma around it.

However if we are to listen to Peter12 then we will be using pharmaceuticals to numb the pain, creating addicts that become dependant on them.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Lightweights.

mr cube, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Say it was 12 people - if everyone's fair, that's 5 shots of vodka per person. Which is already more than enough to secure a good time.

Not everyone is going to drink 5, some people (ie me) will drink more. That's just at the table, to say nothing of everything I had at the restaurant before the club.

So if that's all good and we're lightweights, pot can't be illegal. It just can't be.

Fortunately, it won't be much longer.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

mr cube, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Say it was 12 people - if everyone's fair, that's 5 shots of vodka per person. Which is already more than enough to secure a good time.

Not everyone is going to drink 5, some people (ie me) will drink more. That's just at the table, to say nothing of everything I had at the restaurant before the club.

So if that's all good and we're lightweights, pot can't be illegal. It just can't be.

Fortunately, it won't be much longer.

Ah yes! But you cant smoke it in the club or the restaurant!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

mr cube, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Say it was 12 people - if everyone's fair, that's 5 shots of vodka per person. Which is already more than enough to secure a good time.

Not everyone is going to drink 5, some people (ie me) will drink more. That's just at the table, to say nothing of everything I had at the restaurant before the club.

So if that's all good and we're lightweights, pot can't be illegal. It just can't be.

Fortunately, it won't be much longer.

Yeah, I was mostly just busting your balls.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, I was mostly just busting your balls.

I know but I think the point still stands

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Locke

Ah yes! But you cant smoke it in the club or the restaurant!

True but you can eat a cookie outside in the car before you walk inside.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Reaper

True but you can eat a cookie outside in the car before you walk inside.

How are you going to responsibly drive home after that?

[KevanGuy]

Very slowly.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Very slowly.

On the upside, all 7-Elevens and Mac's stores are lobbying hard for this legislation! This is their time to shine!

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Locke

On the upside, all 7-Elevens and Mac's stores are lobbying hard for this legislation! This is their time to shine!

Everyone should be lobbying for this legislation. Creating a multi billion dollar industry out of thin air is a win for everyone.