Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think this is a least worst election. None of the candidates should make you excited. Best case outcome is a conservative or NDP minority that is short lived until the liberals elect someone competent.

Harper’s Minority was a really effective period of governance through the financial crisis.

Honestly can't even expect the CPs to turn Canada into an energy capital of the world.

The PP government might be the most ineffective useless government Canada has ever seen. But at least they won't be totally corrupt like the Liberals are.

Hopefully in about 4 years we can vote for someone better.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Honestly can't even expect the CPs to turn Canada into an energy capital of the world.

The PP government might be the most ineffective useless government Canada has ever seen. But at least they won't be totally corrupt like the Liberals are.

Hopefully in about 4 years we can vote for someone better.

What do you base "they won't be totally corrupt" on? What gives you that confidence?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Azure

This fear mongering is the exact stuff that was used last election for people to justify voting for what was already a corrupt government. I'm sure those people are very proud that they made sure the social issues they turned into the boogyman didn't become a problem. Of course it came at the price of what has now turned into some major structural issues, but fear-mongers gonna fear monger.

PP is in the pockets of who? This is the O'Toole / Harper stupidity all over again. The CPs know it is political suicide to form a government and then turn around and ban abortion. Or whatever else Fuzz is whining about. So what they're doing is exactly what ever party likely to be elected does. Nothing. Deflect. Lay blame, etc. The fact that we are all adults having voted in numerous elections where the exact thing happens and people still don't get it boggles my mind.

I wonder how many Americans also said the bolded.

[powderjunkie]

And honestly it is not at all far fetched. The UCP could take any number of measures to substantially reduce access to abortion. Doing so today would likely mean a federal showdown that they would lose.

Under PP, he could simply do nothing and simply say "healthcare is provincial jurisdiction." And its done. (depending on how the inevitable court challenges play out, though how many women will suffer in the interim?)

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What do you base "they won't be totally corrupt" on? What gives you that confidence?

It usually takes a government a few years to get organized to that point.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I wonder how many Americans also said the bolded.

In every election so far it has been outside of Florida

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ghts-election/

A good article from Wapo going through the various important races.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GGG

It usually takes a government a few years to get organized to that point.

Typically, ya I would agree. But Pierre has already said he'll use the notwithstanding clause to do an end run around the courts as soon as soon as he can. I'm not saying that counts as corruption, but it indicates his attitude around rules he doesn't particularity like.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GGG

In every election so far it has been outside of Florida

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ghts-election/

A good article from Wapo going through the various important races.

That would be a lot more reassuring if we didn't live in the Florida of Canada...

[CliffFletcher]

Abortion falls under provincial jurisdiction. I don’t know what exactly people fear the Conservatives would do - in the unlikely event they decided to commit political suicide by championing a policy that 80+ per cent of Canadians are against.

[TheIronMaiden]

The anxieties about women's reproductive rights don't just cover abortion but also access and affordability of birth control, and the devlopment of novel interventions.


The provinces determine access to care as well as funding but not the legality of the procedures.


That aside, it has been a federal issue, PET amended the criminal code in 1969. It was upheld again in 1990 when Mulroney looked to recriminalize.


It has been an issue in the Maritimes at the provincial level as recent as 2015 and the CPC has run candidates who wanted to make motions on criminalizing abortion as recent as 2020.


But your right Cliff, why wouldnt the CPC out and out Ostracize the people in their parry who support such an unpopular stance?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Might be due to the NATO Summit at the same time.

Maybe Trudeau should have come to Calgary for the party as he'd probably be having a lot more fun.

The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Canada’s failure to hit the NATO target came up in meetings Trudeau held Monday and Tuesday with American politicians, and that the government was aware that Canada is being “called out” for falling short as the alliance gathered in Washington to mark its 75th anniversary at a time of global tensions and war in Europe.

The discussions were taking place as the Canadian delegation fielded criticism over the lack of a clear plan to increase Ottawa’s military spending to at least two per cent of Canada’s gross domestic product (GDP). With Russia’s war in Ukraine, American pressure and increasing competition between the West and China fuelling a drive across the alliance towards military expansion, a growing number of NATO’s 32 members are hitting that two-per-cent target — more than 20 by the end of this year, according to NATO’s most recent estimate. But Canada remains near the bottom of the list, with military spending equivalent to 1.37 per cent of its GDP, the NATO estimate says.

That fact has fuelled criticism for weeks, including from high-level American legislators heading into the summit that officially opened Tuesday afternoon.

On Monday, U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Mike Johnson said in widely reported remarks that it is “shameful” Canada still hasn’t hit the two-per-cent target.

The Business Council of Canada has warned the country risks “diplomatic isolation” that could harm its trading relations if it fails to meet the pledge it made in 2014. And at a panel discussion Tuesday in Washington, representatives from the three Baltic countries that border Russia called for NATO members to go even further than the current two-per-cent target.

“When you have club rules, then you respect the rules and you expect that everyone will also respect the rules,” Estonian Defense Minister Hanno Pevkur said.

Both Blair and Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly have said that Canada will inevitably hit the two-per-cent target. But the government has never presented a plan that shows when that will happen — something that NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg signalled was an expectation when he visited Ottawa on June 19.

Trudeau suggested again Tuesday that Canada is aware it is being pushed to do more.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...63a97e4a1.html

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Azure

This fear mongering is the exact stuff that was used last election for people to justify voting for what was already a corrupt government. I'm sure those people are very proud that they made sure the social issues they turned into the boogyman didn't become a problem. Of course it came at the price of what has now turned into some major structural issues, but fear-mongers gonna fear monger.

People who fear monger suffer from cognitive dissonance.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

And honestly it is not at all far fetched. The UCP could take any number of measures to substantially reduce access to abortion. Doing so today would likely mean a federal showdown that they would lose.

Under PP, he could simply do nothing and simply say "healthcare is provincial jurisdiction." And its done. (depending on how the inevitable court challenges play out, though how many women will suffer in the interim?)

That’s exactly it. The UCP and governments like them have shown no problem going after groups of people they hate. They don’t need a federal government that does the work for them, they need a federal government that is going to stay out of their way.

It’s not enough to be indifferent or say you won’t actively roll back rights and freedoms, you actually have to stand for protecting them on every level.

But people don’t want to talk about the elephant in the room so they call it fear mongering hoping the people they hate shut up about it. But, as has been pointed out, those people are in the tiny, vocal minority. These issues are never going away, because the only people who are complacent about them are the people who don’t value them.

[TheIronMaiden]

The people who call it fear mongering are not the people impacted.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

People who fear monger suffer from cognitive dissonance.

This is honestly hilarious considering your avatar. If it's intentional, bravo. If not, you may want to consider investing in a clearer mirror.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The anxieties about women's reproductive rights don't just cover abortion but also access and affordability of birth control, and the devlopment of novel interventions.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Wow! When women discover how they can pull out, we won't need birth control!

[2Stonedbirds]

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But I can see how comedy isn't for everyone.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

It's a line from a underrated comedy.

But I can see how comedy isn't for everyone.

A criminally underrated movie!

[2Stonedbirds]

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