2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Vinny01]

I think there is a 80% chance the Flames do nothing or at most acquire depth pieces for late round draft picks.

I do wonder about this Hurricanes deal and the 20% chance they make a move to help with flexibility for next year and bring in some needed assets.

Backlund out could make the most sense. Let’s the Flames call Zary up and get a look over the last 20 games and cash in on a 1st in a deep draft and give them at least a little wiggle room for next summer. Toffoli also makes sense there but unless Jarvis++ is on the table I don’t see much I would want to move Lindholm for on their roster.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Friedman said on the radio (Marek show, will be on the podcast soon) that people close to the team described them as not knowing what they're going to do. Wasn't Friedman's opinion.

I see that as them having two options and not having made the final call yet.

[dino7c]

how dumb would it be to say "we are selling for sure" in their situation lol

like do some of you even read what you type on here? Flames have no meaningful UFAs they shouldn't be selling at all costs and even if they want to they shouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops. Flames should only be making deals that are clear wins, like ones that make the hockey world go "holy #### they got that much" or it makes no sense currently

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It’s also pretty absurd to take “not knowing what they’re going to do” as if they don’t have a whole list of plans depending on what they can or can’t make happen. It’s not like they are sitting around literally saying “we have no idea what we’re going to do”.

Sure, but again, they were described as being "stunned' and "wrapping their heads around what happened" along with not being sure what they were going to do.

To me, again this is to me, it sounds like a group that may as well be literally saying "we have no idea what we're going to do."

Is it in a panicked state? Who knows.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Sure, but again, they were described as being "stunned' and "wrapping their heads around what happened" along with not being sure what they were going to do.

To me, again this is to me, it sounds like a group that may as well be literally saying "we have no idea what we're going to do."

Is it in a panicked state? Who knows.

why should they know until they see what final offers they get? this deadline is irrelevant to the Flames key pieces

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Yeah, its the report that they were "stunned" and "trying to get their heads around what has happened" in March that bothers me.

This was apparent in January. I'm talking the first week of January, or whenever they dropped that road game to Chicago. If there was any fence sitting, that should have been the tipping point.

Now, if your plan is to sit tight and run it back next year because this was a crazy year for everything being off, fine. Thats a plan. But that's not what the reports are. The reports are that they're taking calls, they're listening, but they have no idea what to do.

This is the same front office that couldn’t give JG a hard deadline prior to the DRAFT (or ever, really) and instead held his hand as he strolled to UFA.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

This is the same front office that couldn’t give JG a hard deadline prior to the DRAFT (or ever, really) and instead held his hand as he strolled to UFA.

I only have 2 eyebrows and they're getting a workout being raised and lowered from the decisions this franchise has made for the past, oh, 30 some odd years.

[bax]

I really doubt the Flames don’t know what they want to do.

I think it’s more of a situation where they are waiting to see what offers become available and they want to keep their options open.

I could see them selling a minor UFA piece, selling a player with term if a team offers up great value, or making a hockey trade for somebody with term.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

why should they know until they see what final offers they get? this deadline is irrelevant to the Flames key pieces

No it isn’t - it might not be make or break, but it’s not irrelevant.

Pittsburgh, do you want Lindholm for one playoff run or two?

Do you want to pay whatever it costs to get JT Miller for 7 more years, or do you want an effectively free #2C for the next 18 months?

The iron is hot. Strike.

[genetic_phreek]

I wonder if a hockey trade is out there, NJ might be looking for a bit of beef. They are a bit smaller team with nobody to patrol the young guys into the playoffs.

To NJD
Lucic (50% retained)

To CGY
Mcleod

Mcleod is an RFA at the end of the season, good bottom 6 player with NHL experience that we need to fill up next season. Also should be relatively cheap as well. Good size, great speed, and can play both C/RW. Also gives Lucic a last run.

[topfiverecords]

JM: "Thoughts on Calgary? Again, really quiet. We saw Carolina make some moves yesterday. Do we expect anything, I know I'm asking the same question about the same team day after day but you kinda have to as it approaches. Do you have any more of a sense of what Calgary might be thinking here."

EF: "I think this. I think Calgary is one of those teams could do nothing, could do something and I know that sounds really simple and stupid and I am simple and stupid so I can understand why people would think that. I just think the Flames are really in a holding pattern because I think they're really disappointed they're here. I think that goes top to bottom, ownership, management, players. Like they're just disappointed they're in their spot.

I do think teams have called them "What are you thinking?". I mentioned, you know I've talked about Toffoli with Carolina because the history. Last night I did something with TNT that we carried on our network. I mentioned Backlund's name and not that I think he's getting traded or anything like that but I do think the Hurricanes have spoken to the Flames about what they're thinking. I know that the Hurricanes are looking for a center, and I don't know that Calgary's willing to do that.

You look up and down at Calgary's roster and I see two guys that make sense for Carolina. One of them they've already had is Lindholm, the other one they have is Backlund. These are both great players. I don't know what the likelihood is and I know it would be expensive. But I think Carolina is looking for a center, if it's a rental it's not a big price that they'll play. If it's a player with some term and both those guys have another year, their history is they're willing to pay a little bit more.

I don't know what Calgary is going to do here but the sense I really have from talking to people who've dealt with them that they're just trying to wrap their heads around where they are and what that means. But I do think teams have called them and I think Carolina is one of them like they have good players there who you can get two playoff runs out of and I think that people are just asking the Flames what they're thinking and as I sit here today at 10:26MT I don't know if Calgary has answer but they're getting calls."

[Vinny01]

The flames are heading for dark years if they run it back and walk 6 pending UFA’s to free agency in a year. This team is asset poor and aging. Now is not a bad time to pick one of those assets you do not think or want to keep beyond next season and get something for them. Set a price and work the phones and I hope that is happening. Backlund and Toffoli are good sell high options and I am not sure they want to give Lindholm $9M+ or that he wants to stay so we will see what happens but it makes sense to move one of these guys if they are not in the long term plans. Making the playoffs is a stretch and going on a run will require our franchise goalie completely turning his game around.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Sure, but again, they were described as being "stunned' and "wrapping their heads around what happened" along with not being sure what they were going to do.

To me, again this is to me, it sounds like a group that may as well be literally saying "we have no idea what we're going to do."

Is it in a panicked state? Who knows.

Who knows? I feel like anyone who has followed this team knows. Tkachuk and Gaudreau bailed and Treliving didn’t even panic then. Now he’s apparently panicking because the team is underperforming and all-stars like Lucic and Lewis are becoming UFA this summer? There’s zero pressure. Who would honestly believe anyone is in a panicked state?

Come on.

Being not sure what you’re going to do doesn’t mean you have no idea what to do, and I feel like anyone should know that as well. Being not sure what you’re going to do just as like means you know what want to do, and you’re not sure if you want to move on it now or later, knowing the risk/reward for both options. Maybe you even know you would rather move on it at the draft or in the off-season (or next trade deadline if things are still sideways) but you’re keeping lines open to see if you can get what you want right now.

If you want to live in the unrealistic fantasy scenario you’ve created all on your own through objectively bad interpretations of pretty loose reporting, that’s on you, but it seems like it’d be pretty lame.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

God damn do I ever hope that you're right. Sadly, I think that even if he does produce more next season, he will never live up to his 10.5 Million dollar contract. There is no way to sugar coat it, that contract was signed so that the Flames could content right away, and it was always going to be bad in 3, 4 years time.

We shall see. But I don't think he can play any worse really. We don't know what the team will fully look like next season at this point in time

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you want to live in the unrealistic fantasy scenario you’ve created all on your own through objectively bad interpretations of pretty loose reporting, that’s on you, but it seems like it’d be pretty lame.

No one dials it up to 11 like you.

[SuperMatt18]

With all the Kotkaniemi rumors the last week or so I wonder if Carolina and Calgary could be talking about Kadri and Kotkaniemi.

Kotkaniemi has 7 x $4.82M remaining after this year. ($34.5M)

Kadri has 6 x $7M remaining after this year ($42M)

Hurricanes get an offensive driving second line center that helps them in the short term.

Flames get a 22 year old center who doesn't seem to have a lot of offensive upside - but could be a Backlund like player for years with his strong defensive play.

Kadri would have to be willing to waive but overall I could see that being something both sides would be open to.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Toonage

No one dials it up to 11 like you.

Sorry, didn’t realise turning “don’t know if the Flames know what they want to do” into “the Flames have no idea what to do! they are panicking!!” was only turning it up to 10. I’ll adjust my dial down one to match.

[Major Major]

Everyone knows that the prudent thing to do is to cut some canopy from this team and let the sun shine through, but the only reason to do this now is if there is a ridiculous overpay.

Prices for premium pieces will still be high at the draft, the acquiring team can extend them thus upping their value, and there will be lots of excess draft capital that the blues and caps of the world will be looking to buy players with. The market will still be strong in an off season re-tool. Last year Debrinkat, Dach and Romanov all went for high picks. This year, I think there will be even more opportunity at the draft as a seller.

So why give up on the playoffs now if the market stays more or less the same? The value multiplier of staying in the game and trying to bust through is high, not just for the fun of winning, but also for player value. Markstrom could erase his first 3/4 of the season with a scorching hot last quarter. Mangiapane could show his value around the league is still high as a clutch goal scorer. And if all else fails and they miss, Toffoli will still have the rep as a 30 goal productive winger, Hanifin will still be a solid skating PMD who puts up 40-50 points, Backlund and Lindholm will both be still well regarded as trade chips. Tanev will still be thought of as the warrior that can fix on an entire Defensive unit. You just have more mobility to move guys in my mind.

The other thing is that people are looking at lessons of the past and saying, we must sell. I think that's true, but the other lesson from the past here is that if you believe in a player, lock them up even if they just had an off year. It's what people kept bringing up over and over with Johnny and Tkachuk. In Johnny's case it was 3 bad years. So if you think Lindholm is a true number 1 C in the shape of Bergeron, get the deal done now. If you like Backlund on a low cost retirement deal, do it! If you think Hanifin is a Defensive anchor that will be solid for years, sign him! And trade whoever you are unsure about.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Toonage

No one dials it up to 11 like you.

The truth hurts.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you want to live in the unrealistic fantasy scenario you’ve created all on your own through objectively bad interpretations of pretty loose reporting, that’s on you, but it seems like it’d be pretty lame.

Why would you say this to someone during a civil conversation? Is this how you talk to people in person in your day to day?

Makes it really unpleasant to engage any further