2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Lazar gave the Sens the pick they used on Formenton, who looks to be a key piece of their future. Lazar will probably be playing somewhere in Europe in a few months.

In terms of the cost paid Lazar was his biggest, and any way you cut it that trade was a big fat loss.

Wait until Lazar steps in in the POs and scores a few big goals. Then who's laughing?

But seriously, who knows who Calgary would have picked in that spot, and Formenton is still a junior and if he's not magic beans, he's still a sprout at best. PPG in the OHL is good, but not elite. Looks like he's missed a bunch too. He's projected as a third liner. No doubt he'll get a shot but that's because he plays on a crap team.

[The Cobra]

For everyone saying that the cost to acquire Stone was too high, and the cost to sign him was too much for too long, what were you expecting?

From all accounts, the acquiring cost was less than most expected.

The AAV was pretty much in line what most were predicting he would get, and he was never going to forgo UFA for anything less than an 8 year deal.

Basically, there was never any realistic chance Stone would end up in Calgary.

Calgary won't get to keep any premium players once they reach UFA without paying a price (and term0 many of us won't like.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

For everyone saying that the cost to acquire Stone was too high, and the cost to sign him was too much for too long, what were you expecting?

From all accounts, the acquiring cost was less than most expected.

The AAV was pretty much in line what most were predicting he would get, and he was never going to forgo UFA for anything less than an 8 year deal.

Basically, there was never any realistic chance Stone would end up in Calgary.

Calgary won't get to keep any premium players once they reach UFA without paying a price (and term0 many of us won't like.

Yep, Oscar Lindberg has almost no value.

The Golden Knights only had Erik Brannstrom because the Knights took on Grabovski. It's how they got the Islanders' 2017 first round pick. Great asset management from the Golden Knights there.

The 2nd round pick is in the future and will likely be late.

This wasn't a high price at all. The fact Stone was so willing to re-sign for a somewhat reasonable amount makes this trade a borderline steal IMO.

[oldschoolcalgary]

the reality is that the Senators took the path of getting the best prospect available. If calgary was to get Stone, you'd have to give up Valimaki to do it.

BT wasn't willing to do that.

no one knows what the cost to sign Stone would have been in calgary. 10 is as easily possible as 9.5. Just because Stone signed in Vegas for 9.5 doesn't mean he'd have signed here for that.

the price was too high for the Flames management. Doesn't matter if fans on a message board think that the price was low or not

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Wait until Lazar steps in in the POs and scores a few big goals. Then who's laughing?

A few... as in multiple?

Are the playoffs 50 games long?

[btimbit]

Who knows. There's always some unlikely depth playoff heroes, maybe Lazar ends up being one. Nobody expected Jones and Stajan to have 5 and 4 points respectively in 11 games 4 years ago

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Yep, Oscar Lindberg has almost no value.

The Golden Knights only had Erik Brannstrom because the Knights took on Grabovski. It's how they got the Islanders' 2017 first round pick. Great asset management from the Golden Knights there.

The 2nd round pick is in the future and will likely be late.

This wasn't a high price at all. The fact Stone was so willing to re-sign for a somewhat reasonable amount makes this trade a borderline steal IMO.

Not so sure you can describe his contract this way. It's top end.

By making his ask so high he was guaranteeing he'd be a rental or get traded to Vegas. I can't think of another contending team that could do that contract.

[Flash Walken]

Maybe if everyone ends up paying those prices, the prices arent too high, you're just too pooror stingy to pay them?

No one else that was rumoured to be looking to add seemed to strike out on the day. Eventually when Las Vegas, San Jose, Nashville, Winnipeg, Columbus, Boston got up to bat, they got a hit. Some bunted, couple homers, but just Treliving left over to be talked about as the one that got away.

Sure, maybe because the flames are the class of the west, all those teams were playing catch-up to Calgary. Ok...so now that they have caught up and Calgary is no longer the class of the West, and the team still has a couple of big holes, is that good news for the team and us fans?

Who knows if dregers reporting is accurate, but if true that Tre was 'white hot' about a deal not going through, I'm willing to cut him some slack here based on his prevy trade history, that we as a fan base should also be white hot.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Yep, Oscar Lindberg has almost no value.

The Golden Knights only had Erik Brannstrom because the Knights took on Grabovski. It's how they got the Islanders' 2017 first round pick. Great asset management from the Golden Knights there.

The 2nd round pick is in the future and will likely be late.

This wasn't a high price at all. The fact Stone was so willing to re-sign for a somewhat reasonable amount makes this trade a borderline steal IMO.

He got full market price. $76M. What is that, the 3rd largest contract for a winger in the league? A million per year more than Draisaitl - say that out loud a few times.

And they had to give up assets to get him, including their top prospect (or at least one of their top 2, depending how you feel).

I have no problem with them doing that at all, but calling it a steal is over the top IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Maybe if everyone ends up paying those prices, the prices arent too high, you're just too pooror stingy to pay them?

No one else that was rumoured to be looking to add seemed to strike out on the day. Eventually when Las Vegas, San Jose, Nashville, Winnipeg, Columbus, Boston got up to bat, they got a hit. Some bunted, couple homers, but just Treliving left over to be talked about as the one that got away.

Sure, maybe because the flames are the class of the west, all those teams were playing catch-up to Calgary. Ok...so now that they have caught up and Calgary is no longer the class of the West, and the team still has a couple of big holes, is that good news for the team and us fans?

Who knows if dregers reporting is accurate, but if true that Tre was 'white hot' about a deal not going through, I'm willing to cut him some slack here based on his prevy trade history, that we as a fan base should also be white hot.

Seems to me like a lot of teams "settled". The Jets wanted Stone, settled for renting Hayes.

And who says those teams have caught up? Calgary's top six is still better than Vegas'.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Maybe if everyone ends up paying those prices, the prices arent too high, you're just too pooror stingy to pay them?

No one else that was rumoured to be looking to add seemed to strike out on the day. Eventually when Las Vegas, San Jose, Nashville, Winnipeg, Columbus, Boston got up to bat, they got a hit. Some bunted, couple homers, but just Treliving left over to be talked about as the one that got away.

Sure, maybe because the flames are the class of the west, all those teams were playing catch-up to Calgary. Ok...so now that they have caught up and Calgary is no longer the class of the West, and the team still has a couple of big holes, is that good news for the team and us fans?

Who knows if dregers reporting is accurate, but if true that Tre was 'white hot' about a deal not going through, I'm willing to cut him some slack here based on his prevy trade history, that we as a fan base should also be white hot.

And come June, all of those assets, both acquired and spent, will be gone (save Stone). And either none of those teams (likely) or one of those teams (less likely) will have anything to show for it.

They all made moves and acquired some assets. Good for them. Treliving also tried, but didn't get anything done. So be it.

You are making a pretty big deal out of this for a guy who's mantra - for years - was: picks, picks, picks!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Maybe if everyone ends up paying those prices, the prices arent too high, you're just too pooror stingy to pay them?

No one else that was rumoured to be looking to add seemed to strike out on the day. Eventually when Las Vegas, San Jose, Nashville, Winnipeg, Columbus, Boston got up to bat, they got a hit. Some bunted, couple homers, but just Treliving left over to be talked about as the one that got away.

Sure, maybe because the flames are the class of the west, all those teams were playing catch-up to Calgary. Ok...so now that they have caught up and Calgary is no longer the class of the West, and the team still has a couple of big holes, is that good news for the team and us fans?

Who knows if dregers reporting is accurate, but if true that Tre was 'white hot' about a deal not going through, I'm willing to cut him some slack here based on his prevy trade history, that we as a fan base should also be white hot.

At the end of they day they will all strike out but the one team the wins the cup and my money is that the cup winner isn't going to be any of those teams.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Seems to me like a lot of teams "settled". The Jets wanted Stone, settled for renting Hayes.

And who says those teams have caught up? Calgary's top six is still better than Vegas'.

the Flames and Vegas top 7 forward playoff records.

The reason the Flames paid a premium to get Neal.

player - games - pts - +/-
Neal - 100 - 55 - -12
Statsny - 72 - 50 - -2
Smith - 38 - 35 - +17
Marchessault - 27 - 22 - +9
Pacioretty - 38 - 19 - -1
Frolik - 42 - 19 - +1
Karlsson - 25 - 18 - +12
Stone - 27 - 13 - +6
Monahan - 15 - 11 - -7
Gaudreau - 15 - 11 - -6
Tuch - 20 - 10 - 0
Backlund - 15 - 5 - -4
Lindholm - 0 - 0 - 0
Tkachuk - 4 - 0 - -2

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

the Flames and Vegas top 7 forward playoff records.

The reason the Flames paid a premium to get Neal.

player - games - pts - +/-
Neal - 100 - 55 - -12
Statsny - 72 - 50 - -2
Smith - 38 - 35 - +17
Marchessault - 27 - 22 - +9
Pacioretty - 38 - 19 - -1
Frolik - 42 - 19 - +1
Karlsson - 25 - 18 - +12
Stone - 27 - 13 - +6
Monahan - 15 - 11 - -7
Gaudreau - 15 - 11 - -6
Tuch - 20 - 10 - 0
Backlund - 15 - 5 - -4
Lindholm - 0 - 0 - 0
Tkachuk - 4 - 0 - -2

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove but it ain't working. I'm looking at the players as they are today, not the fact that Patches played a bunch of PO games in the past for a different team. Is their top line better than the Flames? Nope. Is their second line better? Not IMO.

On most rankings every position on the top two lines has Calgary's guy ahead of Vegas' except for Stone at first or second line RW. Some have Stastny ahead of Backlund, but I don't think so, especially defensively. Otherwise, Gaudreau beats Marchessault, Monahan beats Karlsson, Lindholm beats Smith, Tkachuk beats Paccioretty.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Purely based on points, Jamie Benn and John Tavares. I would prefer Stone at his contract over Benn and Tavares at their contracts.
A tier below would be Voracek.

Yea, points are nice but this is not fantasy hockey. He is not comparable to those others as a hockey player. Stone is being built up into a superstar and someone even called him a "franchise player," there are only half a dozen franchise players in the league. In fact Duchene fetched more than Stone, is he a franchise player as well?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Come to think about it, I don't think Treliving has ever made a big deadline deal. I think he is very conservative when it comes to trading for rentals. I think it's fair to assume going forward, for the duration of Treliving's tenure, the team we see in September will pretty much be the team in April.

Off the top of my head, his biggest buy at the deadline was Lazar and you have to call that trade an L.

By all reports Treliving was ready to make a big deal on Sunday night, and had a big deal in place that fell through yesterday AM.

[PeteMoss]

I find it hilarious that Rogers paid 8 bazillion dollars for NHL and they still get blasted in the ratings the one event the year they have competition from TSN.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1100482776405553153

[Jagermeister]

I don't really like Sportsnet, but I thought Sportsnet's coverage was substantially better than TSN's.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He got full market price. $76M. What is that, the 3rd largest contract for a winger in the league? A million per year more than Draisaitl - say that out loud a few times.

And they had to give up assets to get him, including their top prospect (or at least one of their top 2, depending how you feel).

I have no problem with them doing that at all, but calling it a steal is over the top IMO.

It definitely was a steal until Stone was signed until 35 years old. I'm glad the Flames avoided that. Vegas would have been better off if they had signed Stone to a 5 year deal with more $'s.

[Enoch Root]

Ratings are a lagging indicator in this case. If TSN keeps putting on the #### show that yesterday was, the ratings will start to indicate that over the next couple years.