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Old 11-16-2025, 11:13 AM   #12841
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If it’s not someone complaining about the Flames, it’s someone whining about the complainers. I’d love to see less of all that personally. We don’t have to argue with every post you see that we disagree with. I’ve caught myself doing that more than once. Sometimes those takes can just sit there and it’s OK just to bring up a different point.

I do think a Kadri trade would mark a bit of a departure for the Flames. A true team initiated trade of a player under team control for a significant period. I guess when they were shopping Markstrom would be the closest. Having Wolf definitely helped make that easier to swallow for the club as they could argue it wasn’t purely a “get worse now” trade. Those kinds of trades are rare but Flames are in perfect position now to gain some nice assets.
Different point?

Or making up false narratives that fit their singular view ... not sure anyone has to just sit back and let that slide.

If someone said they need to move Weegar because he doesn't have value when the team is ready to compete, I might disagree, but the point is fine as a different view.

Toffoli requested a trade? Not a factual statement. And being used to force a narrative.

I mean the site is designed for discussion, I don't blame anyone for pushing back on a negative spin on literally everything.
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Old 11-16-2025, 11:57 AM   #12843
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Dach has the Monahan injury bug, just caught it sooner his career is cooked sadly, he’s yet to stay healthy since JR.

I think Coronato’s been fine myself, he had a game or two where he wasn’t playing his style (he was on the 4th line however) but outside of that and since coming back from his popcorn night he’s our most consistent forward. I don’t think you could ask for much more from him, he’s playing above the teams skill at this point.

Zary definitely a disappointment, but he’s been bumped around the lineup so much it’s hard to build chemistry. With that said he hasn’t made the most of the time he’s been elevated up the lineup, I still think you need to figure out where you want him long term at this point (wing vs center) that parts on the staff to figure out.

Parekh situation is the most polarizing and beaten to death in regards to ready vs not ready. I think the sheltering was fine, but done poorly and over-sheltered at times. Took forever to get him on PP1 which is where he should have been from day 1. He got half a game with Bahl where he looked his best, but then sat the next game and then was put back with Bean. His deployment was awful, you watched him lose his swagger over the 8 games he played in, ultimately ended up getting hurt.

Coach refused to play him with Weegar who continues to struggle, citing he didn’t want to take away Weegars “offence” by having them paired and Parekh jumping into the play as much as he likes to. Sure would be nice to develop him alongside Kuznetsov right now and maybe build a pair for the future, here’s hoping it still might happen.

Honzek has made huge strides, though he’s playing on the line that hasn’t changed in 4 years and has historically done well with developing rookies. Definitely doesn’t look out of place and hopefully can kick the offensive talent into gear and become a 50pt guy long term. Lots of time left, hard to complain about what he’s done.

Gridin could and should be still up with the club, though due to numbers made the most sense to send down. AHL development this year is not hurting at all and he continues to shine in his first pro season. Probably the biggest shock for me this year, but it’s been awesome watching him develop so fast and out of no where. Really no need to rush him back, but if they make some futures trades he could easily slot in the top 6 at not look out of place.

I think the futures bright, these guys will continue to take steps and just need to develop together as much as possible. This draft will be a big one for us, we truly need to nail it and give ourselves as many 1st round shots as we can.
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Old 11-16-2025, 12:03 PM   #12844
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Overall it's been some tough luck with the younger players and injuries the last couple of years. Zary doesn't look the same, speed wise, since the 2nd knee injury and his boots were never a strength. Add to that the injuries to Mews, Zayne, Pospisil and now Honzek last night - that's a tough run.

I have the most concern for Pospisil if it's another concussion and Mews given the severity of the injury. And we need to see if Zary can make it back.

All the more reason why you need lots of bullets in the chamber because this stuff happens.
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Old 11-16-2025, 12:06 PM   #12845
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Watching after-hours with Kadri and he didn't say one way or the other if he was interested in being traded

What he did say was total canned answers that generally do lead up to players being traded.

" It's a business and I really just try to keep in the present and give it my all. It's early in the season still but we will cross that bridge when we get there"

I can see Kadri being dealt. I really can. I think his desire to be in the playoffs so late into his career will override his love of the city and organization.
Of course he has to go with the careful answers, that is the only appropriate response and I thought he handled it really well (in fact I thought he was terrific in the entire interview!).

But whenever I hear 'it's a business' and 'I just have to stay in the moment', for me that is code for 'I expect things to be traded'. It is out of his control of course, and there is little he can do about it. But it seemed pretty evident to me that he expects - or at least wouldn't be surprised by - a trade.
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The ball is rolling? I'm assuming the Nashville colours of the ball is just a coincidence.

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Old 11-16-2025, 12:09 PM   #12847
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I think it’s not hard to move him, but it’s a 10 team approved trade list. So only those 10 teams don’t require a waiver.
10 team approved list is tough.

Probably a safe assumption that the FLA teams and VGS are on the list. And with Coleman, DAL. So that only leaves 6 others. Pointless to try and guess, but hard to imagine the DETs of the league are going to make it.
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Old 11-16-2025, 12:10 PM   #12848
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The ball is rolling? I'm assuming the Nashville colours of the ball is just a coincidence.
Nashville does have some draft capital. Quick check shows they have their own picks and at least another second.

Thats two years in a row they blow will they become buyers or sellers?
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Mangiapane was a UFA. Markstrom wanted out. He was pretty upset when the initial deal fell through. Also, they had a logjam in net.
This is revisionist. Markstrom DID NOT want to be traded, that was the initial problem - IIRC, there was a potential deal that fell through because he nixed it.

THEN, after that initial mess, he got pissed off on how it was handled, and some comments that became public, and THEN he asked to be traded. And then it got done.

So it is technically correct that he asked for a trade, but it is also disingenuous, and the point you're making is wrong, because the whole thing happened BECAUSE the Flames tried to trade him when he wasn't interested in being moved.
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Old 11-16-2025, 12:16 PM   #12850
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Toffoli UFA and requested trade.
Also disingenuous. And I am starting to think you're just trolling at this point.
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Old 11-16-2025, 12:18 PM   #12851
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Blue and yellow ball. Swedish colors. Rolling to the other side of the court.

The ball is in Rasmus court to sign an extension? Is this related to the potential Detroit rumor from last night?
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Old 11-16-2025, 12:18 PM   #12852
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The year is 2058. A poster on Calgarypuck logs on to once again to mistate the Toffoli situation.
Probably true.

Fortunately, I'll be dead!
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Old 11-16-2025, 12:20 PM   #12853
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The ball is rolling? I'm assuming the Nashville colours of the ball is just a coincidence.
You guys put more thoughts into the guesses than the guy ever does in the clues.
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You guys put more thoughts into the guesses than the guy ever does in the clues.
I actually believe that Sec puts a lot of thought into the clues.
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Don't put any stock in my guesses. I think I'm 1 for 500 at this point. (I like Pickle Juice's guess better already!)
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Nashville does have some draft capital. Quick check shows they have their own picks and at least another second.

Thats two years in a row they blow will they become buyers or sellers?
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michigan colors? so detroit?
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Old 11-16-2025, 12:26 PM   #12857
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"Bend over backwards" lol nope, all you have to do to believe they were forced into this situation is listen to what they publicly say. I posit that it is the opposite end of the debate that bends over to accommodate this narrative of cunning and strategy.
Fair enough. But two things to consider on that:

1) Teams rarely state publicly what they believe privately - and I'm pretty sure you understand that fact. And to take that one step further, ME has a long and detailed resume of making public statements for negotiating purposes, as opposed to informational purposes.

2) When public statements aren't in line with actions, choosing the statements over the actions, in determining what their intentions are, is... not the way I would go.
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The reason for the pivot is young guys underperforming, and/or not getting as much opportunity as the older players. I personally don't care about winning this season. I do want the Flames coach to create the most optimal conditions for the development of the younger players.

Arguably most of the young guys have been underperforming this season: Zary, Coronato, and Parekh were supposed to be key pieces this year. It's combined with over reliance on the core 6 in key situations. For example, PP1 mostly remained intact despite being the worst in the league. OT yesterday didn't include either Zary or Coronato. Coleman and Backlund are always together despite losing a bunch of games. While developing a young C like Zary could benefit from a defensively responsible Coleman on the same line. It also seemed like Weegar, Kadri, and Backlund got a pass on bad performances, while others were scratched for less.

I'm still on the fence regarding Huska, but I definitely want to see progression and increased roles for the younger players. At least Kuznetsov and Honzek are doing well so far.
Coronato and Zary were both out in OT. And Coronato was (obviously) out with the net empty. Did you mean the shootout? I don't think shootouts have much to do with development. I do agree that it would be nice to split Backlund and Coleman and hand each one a rookie/sophomore.
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Fair enough. But two things to consider on that:

1) Teams rarely state publicly what they believe privately - and I'm pretty sure you understand that fact. And to take that one step further, ME has a long and detailed resume of making public statements for negotiating purposes, as opposed to informational purposes.

2) When public statements aren't in line with actions, choosing the statements over the actions, in determining what their intentions are, is... not the way I would go.
And sometimes not even for negotiating purposes. A statement like "I love Kadri, I hate the thought of trading him" has a couple different possible subtexts.
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'The ball is in Ramsus' court' (Swedish colours) is an astute guess, I think.
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