2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[really?]

Originally Posted by Major Major

This whole rfa thing is a fantasy. When is anyone going to find a team as dumb as Edmonton? It's not possible.

Perhaps, but teams committing to multiple high end talents can find themselves in a squeeze. Dallas could potentially be one of those teams.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Major Major

This whole rfa thing is a fantasy. When is anyone going to find a team as dumb as Edmonton? It's not possible.

Yeah its unlikely, by all accounts the Flames tried to sign them too but they picked St. Louis...it obviously would have been a smart move. Chances of another team being that dumb are low.

To rule it out, especially in the media would be incredibly stupid of the Flames

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by really?

I appreciate your perspective and agree that absent a true 1c this team is going to struggle to be anything beyond a 6-8 team in the west. Some teams made a conscious effort to acquire high end talent, and while they won’t intentionally take such steps, absent moves in the offseason to add more of a veteran footprint next year the Flames may well be in the position you expected them to occupy this year.

The Flames need a center who can drive line 2, and while he may not end up being the cheese on that cracker, paying a second to find out if he is doesn’t tell me the Flames are pushing the chips in for the next couple of seasons.

Yeah I think they crash next season as well. This type of play and relying on your goalie is hard to keep up.

Unless they do dumb things in free agency, but that can crash and burn as well look at Nashville.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah I think they crash next season as well. This type of play and relying on your goalie is hard to keep up.

Unless they do dumb things in free agency, but that can crash and burn as well look at Nashville.

Nashville signed a 35 year old to a massive deal, Flames won't be doing that

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I would try to offersheet Dylan Samberg, and Cam York. Also, $4.58M is the 2024 compensation for a 2nd, it will be higher. It will be around $4.97M if the cap goes up to $95.5M. The cap increase will also give most teams plenty of cap space to play with, so a successful offersheet using a 2nd seems unlikely.

Capwages incorporates that future cap increase into their roster tools. Looking at the Dallas Stars you can change the season to 2025-26 and "Show LTIR" and see how they will have $90M of their cap space allotted and only $5.3M available with 16/23 players for next season.

The Flyers are showing $27.5M of unassigned cap and the Jets have $37.1M. That gives them a lot of space to retain their RFAs but they do need to rebuild their NHL rosters. Jets only have 15/23 players and Flyers have 17/23.

Between the three teams they have close to the same number of players they need to sign but the Stars have almost no space. They are vulnerable to offer sheets and if they match the offer sheet then they will be in cap jail and will need a team to take a big contract off of them before the end of the summer.

I can only imagine how much the other GMs would squeeze the Stars to take Seguin's $9.85M off the books.

[really?]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Nashville signed a 35 year old to a massive deal, Flames won't be doing that

Absolutely agree, but when they inked that deal I’d imagine some fans were truly pumped. They’re still pumped, just in a fashion they didn’t foresee.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Offersheets are nice, but they require players willing to sign them, and teams unwilling to match what they signed for. A great tool, but probably low-percentage. I would be surprised if they sign someone through it. I will be surprised if it works anyway, but I will be surprised if they don't have some targets in the air and track who signs and doesn't early in the off-season.

[GioforPM]

Watching the Isles I wonder if the Flams would look at offersheeting Dobson.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Watching the Isles I wonder if the Flams would look at offersheeting Dobson.

I still think them giving up an unprotected 1st would be super risky. I wouldn’t want them to blow it on a dman. The only player that would make sense is a younger #1C which doesn’t exist.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Offersheets are nice, but they require players willing to sign them, and teams unwilling to match what they signed for. A great tool, but probably low-percentage. I would be surprised if they sign someone through it. I will be surprised if it works anyway, but I will be surprised if they don't have some targets in the air and track who signs and doesn't early in the off-season.

Well, from the player's perspective you have the following considerations:
- On the one hand you can get less money to play a smaller role on a team that has a chance to win the cup in the near term
- On the other hand you can make more money to play a bigger role on a team that is not likely to win the cup in the near term

From a career perspective, I think a number of players will follow the second path to advance their early career.

From a team perspective:
- The Stars are probably hoping to sign Bourque to $1.5M, which is similar money to Steel, and he will play on the 3rd or 4th line as either C or RW. The Stars will pinky promise to offer him a bigger contract in the future when they have the cap space to do so....
- The Flames (or another similar team) could easily offer him double ($3M) and tell him that he will have a chance to play a bigger role, especially at RW, but also that he can get looks at C as there is a well known desire to add a RHS C to the group.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by really?

Perhaps, but teams committing to multiple high end talents can find themselves in a squeeze. Dallas could potentially be one of those teams.

Players will take discounts to stay in Dallas vs going to Calgary.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Players will take discounts to stay in Dallas vs going to Calgary.

A guy like Bourque will care about opportunity more than anything else.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Players will take discounts to stay in Dallas vs going to Calgary.

Will they take league minimum to stay in Dallas vs. signing an offer sheet for three to five times the money?

Because as things are set up now, Dallas is going to have to fill out the bottom of its roster with several players at league minimum. They won't be able to keep everyone.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Players will take discounts to stay in Dallas vs going to Calgary.

Older vets might do that in order to chase a cup but most younger guys would prioritize their career progression and earnings.

Bourque signing a $3M deal in his second contract sets him up for bigger earnings in his third contract and beyond. If he can end up a #2RW or #3C then he could be making $6M/yr in a couple of years.

If the Stars offer him $2.5+M, then maybe he ignores a $3M offer and stays with the Stars but I doubt he leaves over a mil on the table. (And I do not think the Stars can offer that much)

Also, the Flames can offer a multi-year contract. $3M for 2 years could increase the gap between the Flames offer and the Stars from $1M to $2M.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Will they take league minimum to stay in Dallas vs. signing an offer sheet for three to five times the money?

Because as things are set up now, Dallas is going to have to fill out the bottom of its roster with several players at league minimum. They won't be able to keep everyone.

Ceci is off the books next year and Benn will get a pay cut.

Seems these teams can always find a way. Oilers situation was pure stupidity by signing less effective ufa's over Holloway and Broberg.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Ceci is off the books next year and Benn will get a pay cut.

Seems these teams can always find a way. Oilers situation was pure stupidity by signing less effective ufa's over Holloway and Broberg.

Even the oilers made the space to match and then opted not too

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Ceci is off the books next year and Benn will get a pay cut.

Seems these teams can always find a way. Oilers situation was pure stupidity by signing less effective ufa's over Holloway and Broberg.

Yes, Ceci ($3.25M) comes off of the books.... As does Benn ($9.5M), Granlund ($5M), Duchene ($3M), Dadonov ($2.25M), Back ($775K), and Smith ($1M). Also not on the books yet is the unsigned RFAs: Bourque, Lundkvist, and 5 more RFAs in the minors.

Even with all of those guys coming off of the books the Stars have a cap hit of $90M with big raises going to Rantanen, Oettinger, Wyatt and guys like Hintz, Robertson, Heiskanen, and Seguin all making 7.5-9.5M.

As it stands, they have $5.3M in cap space for next year and need to sign 4 skaters just to get to 20. 7 skaters to get to a full 23. Even with league minimum contracts there is no way to get to 7 skaters for $5.3M. (7 skaters at $775K is $5.425M)

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Yes, Ceci ($3.25M) comes off of the books.... As does Benn ($9.5M), Granlund ($5M), Duchene ($3M), Dadonov ($2.25M), Back ($775K), and Smith ($1M). Also not on the books yet is the unsigned RFAs: Bourque, Lundkvist, and 5 more RFAs in the minors.

Even with all of those guys coming off of the books the Stars have a cap hit of $90M with big raises going to Rantanen, Oettinger, Wyatt and guys like Hintz, Robertson, Heiskanen, and Seguin all making 7.5-9.5M.

As it stands, they have $5.3M in cap space for next year and need to sign 4 skaters just to get to 20. 7 skaters to get to a full 23. Even with league minimum contracts there is no way to get to 7 skaters for $5.3M. (7 skaters at $775K is $5.425M)

They will just do what Vegas does and make a trade or two.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Ceci is off the books next year and Benn will get a pay cut.

According to Puckpedia, the Stars are already over $90 million on next year's cap, even with the current contracts of Benn, Granlund, Duchene, Dadonov, Bourque, Ceci, Lundkvist, and Brendan Smith off the books. That leaves them a 16-man roster and only about $5 million to spend.

Remember, Rantanen gets a raise from $8.5 million to $12 million on July 1. That uses up a huge chunk of cap right there.

They are going to have to make some serious changes to get under the cap.

[traptor]

I've been touting this for awhile but I'd offer sheet Borque the max in the 2nd round compensation.

It would be in the range of the broberg contract of 4.58x2.