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Old 11-16-2025, 10:06 AM   #12821
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Do the names Markstrom and Mangiapane ring any bells?
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Mangiapane was a UFA. Markstrom wanted out. He was pretty upset when the initial deal fell through. Also, they had a logjam in net.
Mangiapane was a UFA a year after the trade. Markstrom was upset when the deal fell through because of how it was handled, which still hasn't been fully fleshed out in public. He never requested a trade.

So if you're just going to make things up or skew things as much as possible you should probably just zip it.
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:08 AM   #12822
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Toffoli UFA and requested trade.
Not how I recall it. Toffoli was willing to stay provided the Flames would sign him long term. They weren’t willing to do that.
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:09 AM   #12823
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Toffoli UFA and requested trade.
https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/...-he-wanted-out
Toffoli never requested a trade, he wanted a new contract and that didn't materialize in Calgary. He had hoped to get one with the team he was traded to.

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Old 11-16-2025, 10:12 AM   #12824
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Honestly some people just want to be unhappy. They wanted a rebuild. The team rebuilds and they insist it’s not one because they seem to want to remain unhappy. They bend over backwards to explain away things they wanted to happen as being done against the team’s will. They want the rebuild to be like other teams’ yet figure the Flames should do it differently by selling everyone in a single year.
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:14 AM   #12825
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Some of you need to find hobbies. Clearly, Conroy doesn't satisfy any of your demands. Why bother following the Flames then?
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:18 AM   #12826
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I will be sad to see Coleman go. Next to Backlund, I think he is the Flames' best leader on and off the ice. In my opinion, if he isn't returning a first or a good prospect, and instead the offers are a 2nd and/or a B-level prospect, I would prefer to keep him and shop him next deadline. If the offers aren't good enough, i would rather re-sign him. This is probably a very unpopular opinion, I realize. I just think it is important to bring in the right kind of vets onto you team, and I think Coleman is exactly the type of vet I would want my young players around if I was Conroy.


However, I do think he moves. if there are a few teams already making calls on him, I imagine something worthwhile shakes-out close to the deadline.
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:23 AM   #12827
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Toffoli requested a trade after the Flames said no to a contract extension. Does that count?


Markstrom wanted out.. after the Flames shopped him.
The year is 2058. A poster on Calgarypuck logs on to once again to mistate the Toffoli situation.
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:24 AM   #12828
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Honestly some people just want to be unhappy. They wanted a rebuild. The team rebuilds and they insist it’s not one because they seem to want to remain unhappy. They bend over backwards to explain away things they wanted to happen as being done against the team’s will. They want the rebuild to be like other teams’ yet figure the Flames should do it differently by selling everyone in a single year.
Can hardly wait for an all too familiar cast of posters complain endlessly about the Flames picking player X instead of player Y and our rebuild is a failure.
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:34 AM   #12829
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Can hardly wait for an all too familiar cast of posters complain endlessly about the Flames picking player X instead of player Y and our rebuild is a failure.
100% this will happen. Or they will say "They were bad in the wrong years and didn't see off when I expected them to". It's always something.
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:35 AM   #12830
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The year is 2058. A poster on Calgarypuck logs on to once again to mistate the Toffoli situation.
I just don't understand why you would want to create false details or even just interpret things as negatively as possible to somehow defend the team isn't doing what you want them to do when they are in fact doing just that?

Also don't understand why so many (twitter specifically, but here as well) seemed to pivot to fire the coach the second they got what they want with a last place team.

Perpetual misery is baffling to me.
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I will be sad to see Coleman go. Next to Backlund, I think he is the Flames' best leader on and off the ice. In my opinion, if he isn't returning a first or a good prospect, and instead the offers are a 2nd and/or a B-level prospect, I would prefer to keep him and shop him next deadline. If the offers aren't good enough, i would rather re-sign him. This is probably a very unpopular opinion, I realize. I just think it is important to bring in the right kind of vets onto you team, and I think Coleman is exactly the type of vet I would want my young players around if I was Conroy.


However, I do think he moves. if there are a few teams already making calls on him, I imagine something worthwhile shakes-out close to the deadline.
I too will be sad when Coleman leaves, and hope we can grab him again when we are competing (if he's still around). Would love him as a 12th/13th forward. Plays the game the right way and has been nothing but great here.
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:38 AM   #12832
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"Bend over backwards" lol nope, all you have to do to believe they were forced into this situation is listen to what they publicly say. I posit that it is the opposite end of the debate that bends over to accommodate this narrative of cunning and strategy.
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:47 AM   #12833
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Now Kirby Dach is out 4-6 weeks for Montreal. Maybe that’ll be the straw to break the camel’s back to start some movement.
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:48 AM   #12834
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"Bend over backwards" lol nope, all you have to do to believe they were forced into this situation is listen to what they publicly say. I posit that it is the opposite end of the debate that bends over to accommodate this narrative of cunning and strategy.
There has been one single team that announced a rebuild. No one decided SJ and Chicago were rebuilding based on what anyone said.

And no one has a direct quote from Conroy or Edwards denying a rebuild is occurring anyway.
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Old 11-16-2025, 10:56 AM   #12835
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There has been one single team that announced a rebuild. No one decided SJ and Chicago were rebuilding based on what anyone said.

And no one has a direct quote from Conroy or Edwards denying a rebuild is occurring anyway.
Tell me you’re rebuilding without saying you’re rebuilding. I think sums up where the Flames currently are.
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If it’s not someone complaining about the Flames, it’s someone whining about the complainers. I’d love to see less of all that personally. We don’t have to argue with every post you see that we disagree with. I’ve caught myself doing that more than once. Sometimes those takes can just sit there and it’s OK just to bring up a different point.

I do think a Kadri trade would mark a bit of a departure for the Flames. A true team initiated trade of a player under team control for a significant period. I guess when they were shopping Markstrom would be the closest. Having Wolf definitely helped make that easier to swallow for the club as they could argue it wasn’t purely a “get worse now” trade. Those kinds of trades are rare but Flames are in perfect position now to gain some nice assets.
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Also don't understand why so many (twitter specifically, but here as well) seemed to pivot to fire the coach the second they got what they want with a last place team.
They want an exciting last place team where every player is happy I guess.

It’s the same with the endless cycle of posters here that aren’t happy with the current rebuild because they haven’t put out a press release saying they are rebuilding. Pretty much guarantee a good chunk of the trade the vets for anything crowd will complain about the return.
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If it’s not someone complaining about the Flames, it’s someone whining about the complainers. I’d love to see less of all that personally. We don’t have to argue with every post you see that we disagree with. I’ve caught myself doing that more than once. Sometimes those takes can just sit there and it’s OK just to bring up a different point.

I do think a Kadri trade would mark a bit of a departure for the Flames. A true team initiated trade of a player under team control for a significant period. I guess when they were shopping Markstrom would be the closest. Having Wolf definitely helped make that easier to swallow for the club as they could argue it wasn’t purely a “get worse now” trade. Those kinds of trades are rare but Flames are in perfect position now to gain some nice assets.
The Markstrom trade is easy to waive away as a rebuild trade because Wolf performed but there was a new pretty high chance he would struggle as he transitioned to the NHL. No team trades away their #1 to go all in on a rookie if they wanted to compete.
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Old 11-16-2025, 11:07 AM   #12839
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Toffoli UFA and requested trade.
Can you explain why Jim Nill only got a 7th for Tanev and Conroy got a 2nd for Mangiapane if they were both UFAs? Is Nill that bad of a GM or is Conroy that good?
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Old 11-16-2025, 11:08 AM   #12840
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I just don't understand why you would want to create false details or even just interpret things as negatively as possible to somehow defend the team isn't doing what you want them to do when they are in fact doing just that?

Also don't understand why so many (twitter specifically, but here as well) seemed to pivot to fire the coach the second they got what they want with a last place team.


Perpetual misery is baffling to me.
The reason for the pivot is young guys underperforming, and/or not getting as much opportunity as the older players. I personally don't care about winning this season. I do want the Flames coach to create the most optimal conditions for the development of the younger players.

Arguably most of the young guys have been underperforming this season: Zary, Coronato, and Parekh were supposed to be key pieces this year. It's combined with over reliance on the core 6 in key situations. For example, PP1 mostly remained intact despite being the worst in the league. OT yesterday didn't include either Zary or Coronato. Coleman and Backlund are always together despite losing a bunch of games. While developing a young C like Zary could benefit from a defensively responsible Coleman on the same line. It also seemed like Weegar, Kadri, and Backlund got a pass on bad performances, while others were scratched for less.

I'm still on the fence regarding Huska, but I definitely want to see progression and increased roles for the younger players. At least Kuznetsov and Honzek are doing well so far.
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