2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Stanley

eewww....Kessel?! You'd give up assets for him?! Jeezus guys, seriously...

The guy who has won a few cups and scored 90+ points last season? 70 points the year before? 30 years old.. 300+ Goals and 700+ Points?

You are absolutely right. The Flames are definitely booming with players who can score already and don't need him.

For eff sakes, he would be our best forward if the Flames acquired him.

I wouldn't mind sending a package that starts with Frolik+Bennett+Fox

Gaudreau-Monahan-Kessel
Tkachuk-Jankowski-???? (Brodie Trade)

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol no way are we getting Kessel for a trade with Brouwer in it. That is too much homerism and I'm a huge homer.

Kessel would cost us but I would do it. All he's ever done is proven people wrong. I think he would be fantastic here. Gaudreau-Monahan-Kessel could be one of the best lines in the league.

Brodie+Bennett.

I am not sure Johnny and Phil would get along because Phil would eat all of Johnny's Skittles.

[mrdonkey]

I may be misremembering, but I seem to recall when Kessel was available the first time the Flames were on his no-trade list.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I may be misremembering, but I seem to recall when Kessel was available the first time the Flames were on his no-trade list.

I'd bet every Canadian team is on that list. He'd have to be convinced to waive for a Canadian team. Just can't see it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The guy who has won a few cups and scored 90+ points last season? 70 points the year before? 30 years old.. 300+ Goals and 700+ Points?

You are absolutely right. The Flames are definitely booming with players who can score already and don't need him.

For eff sakes, he would be our best forward if the Flames acquired him.

I wouldn't mind sending a package that starts with Frolik+Fox

Gaudreau-Monahan-Kessel
Tkachuk-Jankowski-???? (Brodie Trade)

I probably wouldn't even put him with Gaudreau/Monahan.

The guy is elite and can literally carry his own line.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I'd bet every Canadian team is on that list. He'd have to be convinced to waive for a Canadian team. Just can't see it.

Neither can I, honestly. The Flames are a questionable team in an undesirable market, without an easy "gimme" chip like McDavid to play.

If this team wants to take the next step and add the impact player(s) it's missing, the only way I can see it happen is internally... Which makes Treliving's recent armageddon on picks especially frustrating.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I'd bet every Canadian team is on that list. He'd have to be convinced to waive for a Canadian team. Just can't see it.

From what I have read, Kessel has a 8 team no trade list on his current contract. Hence, it's almost certain Calgary would be one of the teams on the list. So a trade for him may not even be possible.

I hope the Flames can solve the RW option but it may not come via Free agency either. Either try and do it internally or trade for a young asset with potential as a winger. I wouldnt be surprised if most established veterans will most likely have the Flames on their NTC lists. Even a guy like James Neal has a current 8 team no trade list, which I can see Calgary definitely being on that as well. So if he has a chance to play wherever he chooses being a UFA, I cant see him coming to Calgary, unless its a huge overpayment. Even then, I just doubt he would.

[Monahammer]

What's with this recent idea that Calgary is an undesireable place to play? IMO we've always been rumored as such but literally never had any problems making big trades or attracting large free agents.
The last one I remember this much whining about was Brad Richards, and he came out and said that the flames were in his finalists though he didn't end up picking us. Another one was MA Fleury last year, and he came out and said he would have waived for Calgary too. I think there's a great chance Phil would come here. Johnny is a well known commodity (and a fellow american) and the spotlight is no where near as intense as Toronto- but you're still well loved and famous. Kessel is from Minnesota, he might as well be a canadian in terms of desirability of hokey fame. Finally, Calgary is a world class city in terms of quality of life, closeness to the rockies, and affordability. Plenty of reasons he would be interested.

I just made myself a bit more sad we didn't push harder to land Fleury. That would have been something.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

I hope the Flames can solve the RW option but it may not come via Free agency either. Either try and do it internally or trade for a young asset with potential as a winger. I wouldnt be surprised if most established veterans will most likely have the Flames on their NTC lists. Even a guy like James Neal has a current 8 team no trade list, which I can see Calgary definitely being on that as well. So if he has a chance to play wherever he chooses being a UFA, I cant see him coming to Calgary, unless its a huge overpayment. Even then, I just doubt he would.

At least with James Neal being a UFA this summer, the Flames could get him, albeit at a high price. Not the $4M+ that guy in the Kane thread suggested.

[Textcritic]

This was posted in the Evander Kane thread but I think it makes for some very good conversation here...

Originally Posted by Weitz

A guy on twitter named Matt Cane does a prediciton model for UFA contracts in the NHL. He was pretty damn close on the Kane contact.

I had seen it one twitter before, but Friedman also plugged him on the radio this morning.

https://twitter.com/cane_matt/status...727937?lang=en


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...0V4/edit#gid=0

Some curious predictions here including a huge UFA contract for David Perron, a big value deal for James Neal, and a bold guess on *Connor Hellebuyck's extension.

* I have only today realized that I have developed an irrational hatred for a sizeable number of NHL players named "Connor."

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I probably wouldn't even put him with Gaudreau/Monahan.

The guy is elite and can literally carry his own line.

Yeah, I would try him with Jankowski and Tkachuk

Assuming say Bennett, Brodie, Lazar, Stone are traded in the off-season

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Jankowski-Kessel
Dube-Backlund-Frolik
Mangiapane-Shore-Foo

Gio-Hamilton
Valimaki-Hamonic
Kulak-Andersson

PP1

Gaudreau-Monahan-Kessel
Gio-Hamilton

PP2

Tkachuk-Backlund-Ferland
Kulak-Andersson

It's a big risk, but I say go for it. He fills the net.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Assuming say Bennett, Brodie, Lazar, Stone are traded in the off-season

No reason to trade away Lazar and Stone. I get the Bennett and Brodie thing, but I think we are going way overboard in moving out bodies. You still need depth in the NHL to win, and guys like Lazar, Stone, and Brouwer provide depth. Both Stone and Brouwer have the ability to play up and down the lineup when injury hits, and without hurting you. Lazar is just a good 4th liner who brings the right attitude to the team and is willing to bang out there. He is what he is, and he is effective when you play him in the right slot.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The guy who has won a few cups and scored 90+ points last season? 70 points the year before? 30 years old.. 300+ Goals and 700+ Points?

You are absolutely right. The Flames are definitely booming with players who can score already and don't need him.

For eff sakes, he would be our best forward if the Flames acquired him.

I wouldn't mind sending a package that starts with Frolik+Bennett+Fox

Gaudreau-Monahan-Kessel
Tkachuk-Jankowski-???? (Brodie Trade)

I like this idea. This team will not make the playoffs yet alone win around until we get 2 offensuve threats in the top 6

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The guy who has won a few cups and scored 90+ points last season? 70 points the year before? 30 years old.. 300+ Goals and 700+ Points?

You are absolutely right. The Flames are definitely booming with players who can score already and don't need him.

For eff sakes, he would be our best forward if the Flames acquired him.

I wouldn't mind sending a package that starts with Frolik+Bennett+Fox

Gaudreau-Monahan-Kessel
Tkachuk-Jankowski-???? (Brodie Trade)

Lol...I was being a little facetious there..although I'm personally not a fan.

I don't like the Kessel personality, and his floating around the neutral zone style, but I don't disagree with you on his offensive stats.

Only concern I see is him starting to go on the decline in a couple years. In fact I could see a situation where he comes here and becomes a whipping boy for not meeting 90+ pts expectations and we end up with a anchor Kessel contract situation.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bunk

It's a big risk, but I say go for it. He fills the net.

..... Nope, too easy.

[Stanley]

I'd prefer James Neal

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The guy who has won a few cups and scored 90+ points last season? 70 points the year before? 30 years old.. 300+ Goals and 700+ Points?

You are absolutely right. The Flames are definitely booming with players who can score already and don't need him.

For eff sakes, he would be our best forward if the Flames acquired him.

I wouldn't mind sending a package that starts with Frolik+Bennett+Fox

Gaudreau-Monahan-Kessel
Tkachuk-Jankowski-???? (Brodie Trade)

Ultimately I believe the game is won now by having elite two way players complimented by some players who are really great at specific areas. Any assets should be used to bring in better two way player. They have enough specialists.
I agree Kessel fills a RW need, and if the acquisition cost was low it would be great, but I don't think this organization should be spending valuable assets to bring more of the same types of players they have.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Send Conroy to talk to Kessel. It would be great to see a proper winger capable of scoring here.

Not sure what to think about Neal. He had one 40 goal 80 point season and was essentially a point per game player with Pitt, but looks like elsewhere he is playing now at the level where he is good for ballpark 25 goals and 45 points in 70 games, which is what Ferland should be able to do if he just pots a few more.

Although with the same linemates, I think Neal would outproduce Ferland.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ultimately I believe the game is won now by having elite two way players complimented by some players who are really great at specific areas. Any assets should be used to bring in better two way player. They have enough specialists.
I agree Kessel fills a RW need, and if the acquisition cost was low it would be great, but I don't think this organization should be spending valuable assets to bring more of the same types of players they have.

They don’t have a power play threat/ sniper winger.

(And please don’t say Versteeg)

[MacDaddy77]

te whole out of shape thing with Kessel is blow way out of proportion. Sure the guy might be a bit overweight but he can still fly and score. He's been this way his entire career and hasn't impacted his results.

If the leafs still retain and we on;y have a 6.8MM cap hit and can get him for a prospect + roster player you go for it.