2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dino7c]

Brodie for Eberle alone would be a terrible trade

[dammage79]

Eberle? I'd take him. But I'd be disappointed if that was the best Treliving could do.

I'd really like some rumors from the talking rumor guys like Bobby Mac and elliott Friedman.

It's been far too quiet on the Flames front since the Peters hiring.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Eberle? I'd take him. But I'd be disappointed if that was the best Treliving could do.

I'd really like some rumors from the talking rumor guys like Bobby Mac and elliott Friedman.

It's been far too quiet on the Flames front since the Peters hiring.

Probably stay like that till the draft.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Feel free to ignore that he is also a disaster in his own end and a -32 in the past two years. If the Islanders offer up either Eberle or the 1st let alone both you take that and run.

For a second I thought you were talking about Hamonic, but he is only -30 over the past two years, including a team worst -21 one year ago for the Islanders. If the Islanders could find a team that was interested in a guy who was -26 in his previous two seasons, surely the Flames could find a team who is interested in a guy who at least contributes offensively.

[Samonadreau]

^burn

[Roof-Daddy]

What would people here be willing to give up for Phil Kessel if he was put on the market?

Can't believe he's 30 already, but there is an elite right shot right winger with speed.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What would people here be willing to give up for Phil Kessel if he was put on the market?

Can't believe he's 30 already, but there is an elite right shot right winger with speed.

They'd want more than what we could offer. It'd be Fox++ for him. They'd probably ask for Hamilton and that is when we part ways.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Brodie for Eberle alone would be a terrible trade

It's not a great trade. Personally, I don't do that trade because I believe that Peters' will do more with Brodie than Gulutzan (how could he not?).

But want to talk an even worse trade? The posters saying either piece (implying the 1st only?!?) and then even more bizarre to "take it and run"?!? You're going to take the 9th overall pick and "run"?!

What a colossal misjudgment of Brodie's value. Can we at least agree that Brodie is a top 4 dman?? I think that's a safe bet- with potential to become actually really good again when a coach is using him to his strengths and building his confidence. There was a time not too long ago, when Brodie was comparable to Hamilton, and it wasn't clear who was the 2nd best D on the team behind Giordano. Is it possible he returns to that? Admittedly unlikely, but maybe- we really do need to see how Peters uses him.

Furthermore, he's a powerplay threat. He's a guy that can move the puck well and if he's on his comfortable side, as lame as that sounds, that's a huge threat. If he leaves, who fills that hole?

IMO trading Brodie needs to happen on a CLEAR win of a trade. I'm not convinced Eberle is, and I straight up disagree the 1st rd pick is at 9th overall.

Let's consider value. What do we get for the 9th overall? According to TSN, who conducted this study:

https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-spe...value-1.786131

it looks like we get a pick that has about a 33% chance of becoming a 3-4 NHL dman. Or a 50% chance of being 4th line equivalent FWD or worse?!?? And you guys want to trade Brodie for that?

People on this site consistently overrate 1st round picks. The problem is that where you draft in round 1 matters, a lot. Top 6-7? Ok... maybe, but understand you're still taking some risks here. Outside of that?

You're going to trade a bonafide decent 3-4 Dman who has had a couple off years under bad coaching and placed in poor situations that do not compliment him, and then trade that away for a 33% chance at a guy that could be similar?

I don't get it at all.

edit: oh yeah and I forgot- I didn't even get into the fact he has a very cap friendly contract for a 3-4 Dman... tell me how many Dman of Brodie's calibre are at $4MM/yr? Nobody. That deal is a great contract, and you can't just trade away great contracts for "chances" at a dman.

Draft picks are risks. Knowns are knowns. Some risks are bad risks to take.

[savemedrzaius]

You are saying it is coaching. And it very well may be. But that is 100% hypothetical. There's no way to prove it's coaching.

What can be proven and clear to see for any GM in this league is Brodie has looked bad these last two seasons with this past season being the worst.

So your GM is looking for a Top 10 pick and a good Top 9 player for 2 years of a guy who most people would agree has been on the decline the past two seasons.

Just seems crazy to.me.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

You are saying it is coaching. And it very well may be. But that is 100% hypothetical. There's no way to prove it's coaching.

What can be proven and clear to see for any GM in this league is Brodie has looked bad these last two seasons with this past season being the worst.

So your GM is looking for a Top 10 pick and a good Top 9 player for 2 years of a guy who most people would agree has been on the decline the past two seasons.

Just seems crazy to.me.

Is the 9th overall pick going to step into the Flames roster next season at a 3-4 spot?

The time for the Flames is now, not in 3-4 years when (hopefully) that players becomes NHL ready and Geadreau and Monahan have left because they're frustrated with mediocrity. Brodie helps this team next season and the season after that far more than some hopeful pick at 9.

And I do think it's coaching and I do think Brodie can return to form. Watch Brodie under Hartley and watch Brodie under Gulutzan and tell me it's not coaching. No, Brodie just all of a sudden became way worse? I doubt it. And I don't think it was for lack of effort either from what I saw.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It's not a great trade. Personally, I don't do that trade because I believe that Peters' will do more with Brodie than Gulutzan (how could he not?).

But want to talk an even worse trade? The posters saying either piece (implying the 1st only?!?) and then even more bizarre to "take it and run"?!? You're going to take the 9th overall pick and "run"?!

What a colossal misjudgment of Brodie's value. Can we at least agree that Brodie is a top 4 dman?? I think that's a safe bet- with potential to become actually really good again when a coach is using him to his strengths and building his confidence. There was a time not too long ago, when Brodie was comparable to Hamilton, and it wasn't clear who was the 2nd best D on the team behind Giordano. Is it possible he returns to that? Admittedly unlikely, but maybe- we really do need to see how Peters uses him.

Furthermore, he's a powerplay threat. He's a guy that can move the puck well and if he's on his comfortable side, as lame as that sounds, that's a huge threat. If he leaves, who fills that hole?

IMO trading Brodie needs to happen on a CLEAR win of a trade. I'm not convinced Eberle is, and I straight up disagree the 1st rd pick is at 9th overall.

Let's consider value. What do we get for the 9th overall? According to TSN, who conducted this study:

https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-spe...value-1.786131

it looks like we get a pick that has about a 33% chance of becoming a 3-4 NHL dman. Or a 50% chance of being 4th line equivalent FWD or worse?!?? And you guys want to trade Brodie for that?

People on this site consistently overrate 1st round picks. The problem is that where you draft in round 1 matters, a lot. Top 6-7? Ok... maybe, but understand you're still taking some risks here. Outside of that?

You're going to trade a bonafide decent 3-4 Dman who has had a couple off years under bad coaching and placed in poor situations that do not compliment him, and then trade that away for a 33% chance at a guy that could be similar?

I don't get it at all.

edit: oh yeah and I forgot- I didn't even get into the fact he has a very cap friendly contract for a 3-4 Dman... tell me how many Dman of Brodie's calibre are at $4MM/yr? Nobody. That deal is a great contract, and you can't just trade away great contracts for "chances" at a dman.

Draft picks are risks. Knowns are knowns. Some risks are bad risks to take.

Where do get 9th overall from?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What would people here be willing to give up for Phil Kessel if he was put on the market?

Can't believe he's 30 already, but there is an elite right shot right winger with speed.

Frolik+Fox would be my offer and the Pens would quickly turn that down

[Barca]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

For a second I thought you were talking about Hamonic, but he is only -30 over the past two years, including a team worst -21 one year ago for the Islanders. If the Islanders could find a team that was interested in a guy who was -26 in his previous two seasons, surely the Flames could find a team who is interested in a guy who at least contributes offensively.

just because Tre overpaid, doesn't mean other teams will give you that type of package.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Where do get 9th overall from?

Sorry I thought they had the 9th, got confused from another posters message but they must have meant the Rangers.

So yeah, guess it’d be even worse at picks 11 or 12? Point proven more.

[GoJetsGo]

An important factor that deserves to be raised is no one posting here in the last page (or at all) has any authority to speak definitively about what defensemen yield in trades.

We've seen over and over that GM's will over-pay for defensemen.

Look at what Kris Russell returned when traded as well as what he got paid in free agency. That's just one example of many.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

So your GM is looking for a Top 10 pick and a good Top 9 player for 2 years of a guy who most people would agree has been on the decline the past two seasons.

Just seems crazy to.me.

First of all, claiming what a GM is looking for based on the multiple views on a fan message board couldn't be anymore disingenuous.

2nd, if the fact some people here tend to over-value their own players seems crazy to you... why are you here? You had a pretty epic meltdown the night the Leafs were eliminated and let it slip you dislike the Flames, their fans, and generally everyone who posts here. So why do you come here? All of your backhanded comments about this board could be said tenfold about the absolute extremes Leaf fans take those very annoyances to.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Barca

just because Tre overpaid, doesn't mean other teams will give you that type of package.

Other teams were offering similar packages

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

An important factor that deserves to be raised is no one posting here in the last page (or at all) has any authority to speak definitively about what defensemen yield in trades.

We've seen over and over that GM's will over-pay for defensemen.

Look at what Kris Russell returned when traded as well as what he got paid in free agency. That's just one example of many.

Yes, this is a great point too- in terms of deemed value and market value.

Brodie is worth more than a 1st.

[dino7c]

Flames were one Dallas win away from getting a first for a couple months of Kris Russell...please don't give away our top four Dmen.

And the Flames aren't making any deals that make them worse next season...so forget this notion that they are desperate for a 1st. Tre probably likes being an NHL GM, he will not make the team worse for next season in exchange for help that MIGHT come in a few years time.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yes, this is a great point too- in terms of deemed value and market value.

Brodie is worth more than a 1st.

Serious question - would you trade Brodie for Valimaki?