Star Wars

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

LOL it says a lot, Star Destroyers were powered by these monstrous hyper matter reactors. The Rebellion or resistance ships run on actual fuel. so weird.


I remember playing a game called Rebellion where you tried to take over the universe and it literally took 50 days in hyperspace to cross the galaxy which made sense.

Without long distances to cross, none of it makes any sense. The whole point of "backwater" planets was that they were out of the way and difficult to get to. It was fundamental law of the Star Wars universe that certain places were not easily accessible by the governing power. This is how basically every Star Wars character was able to operate in the original series. Tatooine was not easily accessible.....that was literally the starting premise for the whole universe. Luke and Obi Wan were hiding out on a place that was difficult to search, because it was hard to get to.

[CaptainCrunch]

One of the biggest reasons why the old republic failed was that distance. The outer rim was paid lip service by the Old Republic. With no standing military, and no real senate representation. The Old Republic could harp on their anti-slavery laws, and how they were protecting the people of the outer rim from piracy and other criminal activities by these massive crime families and exploitation by large corporations. But at the end of the day, none of that happened. Slavery and corruption and exploitation and mass crime happened in the outer rim and corruption set into the senate.

The Empire tried to fix some of that but could never build a star fleet large enough to deal with it.

When the Empire toppled and the new republic came in, we saw all of that corruption and stink in the outer rim again as pointed out in the Mandelorian.

The separatist movement gained a foothold in the outer rim because the republic failed in the outer rim. When they talk about the golden era of the republic. Its because the inner rim got rich off of the corruption rooted in the outer rim.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by blankall

Tatooine was not easily accessible.....that was literally the starting premise for the whole universe. Luke and Obi Wan were hiding out on a place that was difficult to search, because it was hard to get to.

That's definitely one of the reasons that I always roll my eyes every time Tatooine somehow comes up again in Star Wars. It's not on a hyperspace trade route, it's not near any useful planets (they don't seem to go back to Geonosis, which is near Tatooine) and there's thousands of planets with crime syndicates and Hutt warlords (why not visit Nal Hutta or Nar Shadda, the hutt homeworld and its moon?).

They don't need to keep tapping the same tired old locations. Surely they can fill some other planets with deep enough lore to make them interesting. Even the books fell into this trap regularly. More fighter pilots that are featured in the books came from Tatooine than any other planet except Corellia which makes no sense. Corellia is a core world so it stands to reason that you would see more skilled pilots from there.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Locke

Basically nothing happened. They are right back to where they started from.

Worse, they shat on what the original trilogy accomplished and went backwards. When we first got news that Disney was doing a new trilogy I was pumped to see a post-ROTJ Star Wars universe. A functioning New Republic, reformed Jedi temple, Leia as a skilled diplomat and Luke as a wise mentor. But the writers were so bankrupt of original ideas despite having access to a vast expanded universe that they just couldn't imaging anything beyond another Empire and another rebel alliance. It just makes me angry to think about

[KTrain]

It's been a couple years guys. It might be time to let go of your hate.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by KTrain

It's been a couple years guys. It might be time to let go of your hate.

The Mandalorian and the general forgetableness of the New Trilogy actually really helps me move on. Now I look back on the new trilogy in a laughing @$#% that was dumb kind of way, as opposed to being a little angry about the whole thing.

[Inglewood Jack]

if these things go in cycles then maybe just like the prequels, whenever the new trilogy comes out there will be a section of the fanbase that swears the JJ/Rian era was actually awesome and underrated.

[CaptainCrunch]

Actually to be honest as a fundamental idea, I kind of did like that the New Republic took sheer victor over the Empire with it being done at the battle of Jakku, and pissed it away and the galaxy was in such bad shape that the First Order basically came in unopposed.



I like that the Republic utterly failed as shown in the Mandalorian. It shows that a bunch of Space Hippies talking about peace and love and balancing chakkra's (The Force) and people power and democracy was all such a failure.

[Matata]

The new trilogy made the prequels better because at least the prequels were George's vision and he did create a lot of iconic characters and locations that have become a meaningful part of the star wars universe.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

if these things go in cycles then maybe just like the prequels, whenever the new trilogy comes out there will be a section of the fanbase that swears the JJ/Rian era was actually awesome and underrated.

I don't think the sequels will ever have a fanbase like the prequels. The prequels for all their warts have a cohesive story arc and genuine character development. And Obi-Wan. The sequels have nothing but pretty visuals.

Originally Posted by Matata

The new trilogy made the prequels better because at least the prequels were George's vision and he did create a lot of iconic characters and locations that have become a meaningful part of the star wars universe.

Yep. Even the original trilogy has some dumb parts (maybe change Luke's last name so it's not the same as the guy we are hiding him from??), but the story is great, and character development was great. The sequels had no story, no characters, nothing.

[blankall]

I actually though TFA had great potential. I really liked a lot of the characters initially, and they all had, what seemed like, really great potential for various arcs. It would have been really easy to set things up for a simple, yet satisfying storyline. The characters were all pretty great in the TFA.

I think Rian Johnson recognized how simple the setup was, and due to this felt the need to "subvert" the storyline as much as possible. Problem was he didn't have enough knowledge, or seem to care about, the SW universe as a whole.

I have gone back and re-watched TFA, but the major problem is that it doesn't have much substance. It was purely a setup film, so it's hard to enjoy by itself, even if you can block out the next two films while watching.

[Bigtime]

So the Rogue Squadron movie has been delayed, and no real start date given…

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mo...235044023/amp/

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

So the Rogue Squadron movie has been delayed, and no real start date given…

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mo...235044023/amp/

I kind of figured that might happen. Especially after the critical bomb that was Wonder Woman 2.



I also think that maybe Disney is going to heavily focus on the small screen.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

So the Rogue Squadron movie has been delayed, and no real start date given…

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mo...235044023/amp/

Or, you know, get someone else to direct it? Jenkins isnt writing it is she?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

I actually though TFA had great potential. I really liked a lot of the characters initially, and they all had, what seemed like, really great potential for various arcs. It would have been really easy to set things up for a simple, yet satisfying storyline. The characters were all pretty great in the TFA.

I think Rian Johnson recognized how simple the setup was, and due to this felt the need to "subvert" the storyline as much as possible. Problem was he didn't have enough knowledge, or seem to care about, the SW universe as a whole.

I have gone back and re-watched TFA, but the major problem is that it doesn't have much substance. It was purely a setup film, so it's hard to enjoy by itself, even if you can block out the next two films while watching.

I think that TFA was ok, it was a basic reboot of ANH, and they weren't even subtle about it.



I just don't understand how they wouldn't have laid out the whole trilogy, a work book that directors would get the story beat on. Instead we got a mess of a second movie that completely ignored the first movie, and just wrecked any chance of a coherant storyline.



For its warts, the PT, had a coherent story and if you look at the major beats. Obiwan's ascension, Skywalkers fall, Palpatines rise, the end of the Jedi, was a cool idea. There were a lot of poor choices. Having Anakin as a 9 year old was one, the clumsy love story in AOTC was another. I still think they should have Harry Potter'd ROTS and made it two movies.

[djsFlames]

How to trigger an OG fan:

Casino planet side quest
Hobo recluse Luke
Lightsaber toss
Yo mama jokes
Infallible & unstoppable Rey Skywalker
Space Leia
Finn yells
Rian Johnson
Elevator rage
Rose
Space horses
Alien titty milk

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Matata

The new trilogy made the prequels better because at least the prequels were George's vision and he did create a lot of iconic characters and locations that have become a meaningful part of the star wars universe.

No, they really didn't. The prequels will forever remain terrible films IMO. A couple of years ago the sci-fi channel was running a SW marathon and I watched them for the first time in forever, and all three of them were just as god-awful as I remembered. The only redeeming qualities of those flicks are Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I kind of figured that might happen. Especially after the critical bomb that was Wonder Woman 2.

I also think that maybe Disney is going to heavily focus on the small screen.

I've really fallen off watching anything Star Wars, but was really looking forward to some starfighter pew-pew-pew. Why don't they just retool it to a TV series? I'd be good with that.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

How to trigger an OG fan:

Casino planet side quest
Hobo recluse Luke
Lightsaber toss
Yo mama jokes
Infallible & unstoppable Rey Skywalker
Space Leia
Finn yells
Rian Johnson
Elevator rage
Rose
Space horses
Alien titty milk

Pretty sure I just had a stroke reading that.

And cancer.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

I've really fallen off watching anything Star Wars, but was really looking forward to some starfighter pew-pew-pew. Why don't they just retool it to a TV series? I'd be good with that.

It really seems that it lends itself to a TV series more then a movie. At least to me. Also Disney has ordered a Maul series.



I love that they're exploring these topics. But what made Mandalorian special was what we talked about here. He wasn't an established character. Just like Bad Batch was great because it went against the uniformity of the Clones.



I still think that they should do an Old Republic trilogy of movies. A time when Jedi had a huge battery backpack connected to their lightsabers by a cord and the Sith were actually not the true bad guys. The Jedi were.