[News] Patrick Kane being investigated for rape. UPD: DA announces no charges

[justafan]

Wow. This is about hockey. A star in hockey is being investigated. You are wrong about the friendly place comment. Read EE comment, he says that exactly. He implied that women won't like the subject and compared it to an off topic thread about "attractive" women that was deleted to make this place more friendly. The name calling feminazzi, is you being a bully. I won't resort to name calling as I am a grown up.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Yes, an NHL star is being accused of rape. That comment is probably the most relevant comment to hockey in the past 10 pages. This forum is supposed to be about anything that pertains to hockey...how many comments are actually about hockey in this thread? Sure you can say they're about the case which is about hockey but you can relate almost anything to hockey that way. Treat this forum like going to a hockey game and talking to the general public, walk into an arena and start talking about the legal definitions of rape, the judicial system, and most everything else talked about in this thread and people will get annoyed and try to focus on hockey. Talking about Brodie's broken bone or what's going on with Richard's contract and you'll likely have a conversation because it's actually hockey related.

This thread hasn't been about hockey in a long time and it seems like the people who want to keep discussing the things in here are the social justice warriors who know everything about the law.

No one said anything about it being a friendly place for women or brought up your "sensitive female brain", bringing those up makes you kind of look like a "feminazzi"

EE did:
"I don't like rape or the topic and I don't appreciate the constant reminder if it when looking for Flames news. If you really believed the removal of the other thread was done in mind to make the Flames forum a friendlier place for females then you can't have a thread discussing rape unless you believe female Flames fans don't actually come here for Flames talk/news and prefer to read forum experts go back and forward daily about a rape topic."

The attempt to draw a parallel to allow this important discussion to continue, and removal of the hot chick thread is actually one of the strangest and mis-guided things I've ever read on this board.

And god I'm tired of whenever people want to talk about important stuff that people trot out the SJW label. Stick your head in the sand if you want and the rest of us will try to make this world better by actually dealing with these issues.

Yeah this stuff is uncomfortable, so you don't have to be in this thread. But we are not going to sweep it under the rug or just isolate it to the off topic forum. It is about one of the NHL biggest stars. It is valid here.

I was resisting posting this as I don't think we want this debate to continue, but I couldn't resist.

[justafan]

None of us know the details. Kane is still being investigated so it's hardly case closed. Pretty sure we are not getting all the details. I imagine they are taking their time to make sure they have a case. If not, they will drop it.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Poe969

No one said anything about it being a friendly place for women or brought up your "sensitive female brain", bringing those up makes you kind of look like a "feminazzi"

Congrats that's the most cringe-inducing thing I've read on the internet since the last Travis Yost article. This is the kind of logic a 13 year old boy comes up with dude.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by zamler

Gonna need an explanation here...

I just dont get complaining about threads. Its a thread. You want to start a thread? They're so cheap they're practically free.

Its hockey related news. Sure, its a distasteful subject, but we're all bored here so lets just all admit that and get on with it.

So its here, its in OT, its on the surface of the moon, whats the difference?

Its not as though it shouldnt exist so we're arguing about the placement of it? Who cares?

Whether anyone 'likes' the subject matter or not, it happened, so here we are now.

[devel]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't like rape or the topic and I don't appreciate the constant reminder if it when looking for Flames news. If you really believed the removal of the other thread was done in mind to make the Flames forum a friendlier place for females then you can't have a thread discussing rape unless you believe female Flames fans don't actually come here for Flames talk/news and prefer to read forum experts go back and forward daily about a rape topic.

What an insult. This fragile female hockey fan is actually very interested in this case. A current NHL super star accused of a crime against another human being should be talked about here. Not talking about rape doesn't make it stop happening.

As for this particular case. I wonder if someone in the PD or forensic lab is a fan of Kane's and sent the empty evidence bag to the victim's mother to send a message - There is no evidence; Your case is empty - kind of thing.

If her identity really has been figured out I'm sure there will be a lot of slut shaming and probably even death threats to her by his fans.

If she made up the accusation then I guess she made her bed now lie in it, but if it turns out he did in fact rape her I feel bad for her and all women really. Those are the reasons woman usually remain silent. He said - she said makes them a victim again and again.

From my personal experience of a friend being roofied and raped, and the shaming afterwards, I would not report a rape unless I was in such bad shape that there was absolutely zero doubt a violent crime had taken place. How sad is that...

[Tacopuck]

Took less than a day after some actual news for this thread to derail again

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Tacopuck

Took less than a day after some actual news for this thread to derail again

You can only argue about a bag for so long.

I mean, if we still had moon and Bertuzzied we could likely make an argument about whether the bag was ripped or not, or was the genuine bag, or the police are secretly the public front of the lizard-man occupation who have a vendetta against Patrick Kane's penchant for mullets, their only weakness, if those guys were around that argument could last a lot longer.

As it is though...we make do with what we have.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

EE did:


And god I'm tired of whenever people want to talk about important stuff that people trot out the SJW label. Stick your head in the sand if you want and the rest of us will try to make this world better by actually dealing with these issues.
.

My older kid (who is actually left leaning but like a lot of teens is also a huge classical libertarian in terms of free speech etc.) used the term the other day and received a nice lecture from me about how it (a) is demeaning (b) ignores a debate over whatever subject matter is at hand in favour of a label and (c) tells people you really haven't thought about the issue enough to debate on the merits.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

They just use a random brown paper bag for something as important as a rape kit? That might be the most insane thing to come out of this whole thing so far.

There are numerous benefits to putting exhibits in paper bags, especially exhibits that need to "breathe" (ie. blood/bodily fluid stained clothing)

More info here...

http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/...aging-evidence

Paper should be used for items that need to breathe. Fingerprint evidence, pillows, comforters, etc. go in paper. Wet items go into paper. If you seal a bloody shirt in a Ziploc, it will putrefy and be ruined. Put bloody clothing into paper bags and transport to your station. While it’s drying, place white paper bags under the clothing to collect any trace evidence that falls. Retain the transport bag and white paper bags as evidence. Green marijuana also needs to go in a paper bag; if sealed in plastic, it will mold and won’t test properly.

In my experience, most items from the SA kit (sans clothing) are stored in glass vials (blood/bodily fluid) and plastic vials (swabs, etc). which would most likely be placed in a cardboard box and than into a fridge/freezer. Maybe transported in a paper bag or used as a continuity seal.

[MBates]

If the lawyer was genuine in his concern about evidence tampering and his belief the FBI needs to be called in, one would expect him to call the FBI and have them collect the evidence bag from the mothers house...not bring it to a press conference and toss it on a table after handling it a whole bunch.

Given the immediate and unequivocal response from the police agencies accounting for their chain of custody and possession of the evidence and its packaging, this appears to me to be some disingenuous stunt.

What is truly astonishing to me is how all of this information is being leaked into the media and the lawyers are now entering the fray (after apparently resisting the urge for a few weeks).

Every leak of what is supposed to be secret information is a potential obstruction of justice yet no one seems to be planning to do anything to stop the trial by evening news. It's unfair to accuser, accused and the public as a whole.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by MBates

If the lawyer was genuine in his concern about evidence tampering and his belief the FBI needs to be called in, one would expect him to call the FBI and have them collect the evidence bag from the mothers house...not bring it to a press conference and toss it on a table after handling it a whole bunch.

Given the immediate and unequivocal response from the police agencies accounting for their chain of custody and possession of the evidence and its packaging, this appears to me to be some disingenuous stunt.

What is truly astonishing to me is how all of this information is being leaked into the media and the lawyers are now entering the fray (after apparently resisting the urge for a few weeks).

Every leak of what is supposed to be secret information is a potential obstruction of justice yet no one seems to be planning to do anything to stop the trial by evening news. It's unfair to accuser, accused and the public as a whole.

Not a US justice/police force expert, but I'm pretty sure you can't just call up the FBI and have them show up on demand.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I'm happy this thread is in the main hockey forum, as this is an important incident impacting a hockey player and a lovely young woman.

But in the larger picture, these types of "single" incidents are important to note because trends can form. If this happens more and more with NHL players, would we still just think it's unrelated to hockey? MMA seems to have a higher-than-average incidence of wife / girlfriend abuse, which, arguably, started with a single incident. Should MMA fans treat all those individual incidents with an "off-topic" viewpoint?

Similarly, we could have tossed the thread of a former NHL player committing suicide to the off-topic forum because he was no longer in the NHL and maybe hadn't played hockey in a decade. So what's the real "hockey" implication there? None I guess... until another retiree commits suicide. Then another...

Good on the mods for keeping this thread in the view of hockey fans.

[sureLoss]

Jared S. Hopkins @JaredSHopkins
Erie County district attorney Frank Sedita has announced press conference 11 am Friday 2 address tampering allegations in #PatrickKane case

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Jared S. Hopkins @JaredSHopkins
Erie County district attorney Frank Sedita has announced press conference 11 am Friday 2 address tampering allegations in #PatrickKane case

Oh this should be good.

Just another checkmark on the Lizard-Men's Agenda for World Domination.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Not a US justice/police force expert, but I'm pretty sure you can't just call up the FBI and have them show up on demand.

I'm not suggesting it is as simple as, "Hello, FBI? Come do what I want" and they do.

But its not as though there is no official protocol to follow when you claim to have evidence that someone within a police agency has tampered with DNA evidence in one of the nation's most high-profile rape investigations.

I don't need to be a US justice / police force expert to know that protocol does not involve a publicity tour instead of making formal complaints and investigations.

And I have had similar experience with this type of thing:

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/04/20...angsters-trial

During this case, someone anonymously delivered purported evidence to a local news reporter and claimed to be the 'real' criminal. We had it investigated...we didn't grandstand to the media.

[GioforPM]

Submitted without comment:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/...437/story.html

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Submitted without comment:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/...437/story.html

Its an interesting piece, and he makes a few salient points, but my issue comes from the holier-than-thou 'you're supposed to be better than that' and questioning the fact that Kane is getting the benefit of doubt because hes a famous athlete.

Whereas really, hes getting the benefit of doubt because there is doubt and he hasnt been suspended because no one knows if hes done anything wrong yet.

[Coach]

Well, if there's anything I can take away from this thread, it's that I should be storing my green marijuana in paper bags. But what should I do with the blue stuff?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Well, if there's anything I can take away from this thread, it's that I should be storing my green marijuana in paper bags. But what should I do with the blue stuff?

I'm not so sure. I remember back in the day that we had some Mexican pot with mold on it and it was wicked stuff.