This is a fantastic panel. The best bit starts at about 32:45 with the second panel, discussing the islamic roots underlying Isis.
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The thing is that the PKK is also a terrorist group that killed 2 Turkish officers before Turkey started bombing them. I can't see how this ends well for Turkey, the Isis maniacs will turn their guns on Turkey sooner or later but if the Kurds gain major territory it will stir an independence movement within Turkey itself of Kurds wanting to join their brethren.
The thing is that the PKK are also a terrorist group that killed 2 Turkish officers before Turkey started bombing them. I can't see how this ends well for Turkey, the Isis maniacs will turn their guns on Turkey sooner or later but if the Kurds gain major territory it will stir an independence movement within Turkey itself of Kurds wanting to join their brethren.
At this point, Turkey has already invoked article 4 with Nato about ISIS attacks, which is basically consultations and putting Nato on notice. If ISIS starts to push and threaten Turkey, they will invoke article 5 which is basically an attack on us is an attack on all of Nato, which means that they will demand armed assistance from Nato.
That assistance can range from air strikes to material assistance to ground and naval support.
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At this point, Turkey has already invoked article 4 with Nato about ISIS attacks, which is basically consultations and putting Nato on notice. If ISIS starts to push and threaten Turkey, they will invoke article 5 which is basically an attack on us is an attack on all of Nato, which means that they will demand armed assistance from Nato.
That assistance can range from air strikes to material assistance to ground and naval support.
Right, but how many sleeper Isis cells are within Turkey and how much damage can they cause, that'd be my concern.
The thing is that the PKK is also a terrorist group that killed 2 Turkish officers before Turkey started bombing them. I can't see how this ends well for Turkey, the Isis maniacs will turn their guns on Turkey sooner or later but if the Kurds gain major territory it will stir an independence movement within Turkey itself of Kurds wanting to join their brethren.
PKK is a typical example of "one mans terrorist, another mans freedom fighter".
But yeah, it's pretty clear why Turkey is now attacking Kurds. It's because the ISIS is militarily possibly on the point of collapse, and the people ready to take advantage of that are Kurds.
And Turkey would rather have ISIS control those areas than Kurds, because ISIS is not a threat to them.
Who cares that the Kurds could also be negotiatiated with, or that they have one of the best governed areas in all of Middle-East, while in comparison ISIS is... Well, ISIS. It's not like the current Turkish government is big on freedom and democracy anyway.
What gets me is the western reaction. Or really the lack of it.
One of those involved, Maryam, told the website that one man in particular began communicating with her at first. "He began to lure me, saying: 'Do you want to come to Syria, [it is] very good.' I told him that I had no money," she said. So the man wired her 10,000 rubles ($168).
After Maryam received the money, she deleted her social media accounts, setting up new ones and finding a new set of new men to speak to. Between the three women, they received more than $3,100, before Chechen police caught them.
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They should be getting medals and turned loose on ISIS instead of being charged.
Maybe this is the way to fight ISIS, a kind of dirty dozen where you run every con you can against these guys. Flood their email boxes with emails from fictitious princes that want to support their cause by wring them $40 million dollars but they need their back info to do it.
Run ponzi schemes on them and everything.
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Kind of scary now that Turkey has fully joined the fight against ISIS. Not that they shouldn't be ideologically opposed and offering logistical support, but active combat missions are a huge slippery slope. They don't easily distinguish between ISIS and the Kurdish terrorists that have been attacking Turkey for decades. I think it will be too tempting for them to take out some Kurdish targets under the guise of fighting ISIS, which in turn can really make the conflict more complicated and bloody.
Kind of scary now that Turkey has fully joined the fight against ISIS. Not that they shouldn't be ideologically opposed and offering logistical support, but active combat missions are a huge slippery slope. They don't easily distinguish between ISIS and the Kurdish terrorists that have been attacking Turkey for decades. I think it will be too tempting for them to take out some Kurdish targets under the guise of fighting ISIS, which in turn can really make the conflict more complicated and bloody.
Russian air force is hitting targets inside Syria now with SU-24 fighter-bombers.
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• Russian airstrikes 'hit Isil targets in Syria', says Moscow
• US officials say Russian jets hit non-Isil area near Homs
• Russia told US to 'leave now' one hour before strikes
• Russia parliament unanimously approved Syria intervention
• Kremlin insists role will be short-term, only air strikes: Putin
• Assad wrote letter to Putin requesting military aid
The Syrian army and Russian Air Force are bombing the rebels and FSA, the IDF is bombing Syrian Army positions, the Coalition/Arab nations/Kurds are bombing ISIS, the Turks are bombing the Kurds...
The Russian parliament authorized ground troops apparently too.
I don't trust Russia or their intentions, but hopefully they take out as much of ISIS as they can. They certainly don't mess around with this stuff.
I don't trust them either. But I also don't trust the Americans. I was listening to John Kerry talk about Assad bombing his own people and was eerily reminded of Bush telling us how Iraq was tossing babies out of incubators.
At this point I'm on board with Russia getting Assad back in complete control. Ruthless dictatorships seem to be the only form of government that works in the middle east, democracy is a pipe dream over there
The Russian parliament authorized ground troops apparently too.
I don't trust Russia or their intentions, but hopefully they take out as much of ISIS as they can. They certainly don't mess around with this stuff.
I would assume that the ground troops that they've authorized are more then likely security for air fields and ports and logistical centers as opposed to front line infantry and armored units that are going to go out in the field and fight.
I would think that the Russians still remember Afghanistan.
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