[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[zamler]

Alain Vigneault was fired right after game 82. Gulutzan is still head coach, that makes me think there is still serious consideration being given to bringing him back next season.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by zamler

Alain Vigneault was fired right after game 82. Gulutzan is still head coach, that makes me think there is still serious consideration being given to bringing him back next season.

Possible.

From my experience every time I think I have things figured out behind the scenes I'm completely wrong.

Vigneault wouldn't be my choice.

It's Treliving so everything is being considered quite likely.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Possible.

From my experience every time I think I have things figured out behind the scenes I'm completely wrong.

Vigneault wouldn't be my choice.

It's Treliving so everything is being considered quite likely.

Who would be your choice, out of curiosity?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Possible.

From my experience every time I think I have things figured out behind the scenes I'm completely wrong.

Vigneault wouldn't be my choice.

It's Treliving so everything is being considered quite likely.

The point isnt that they fired their coach, its that they made a decision and executed it promptly.

Whether you want AV or not, the real question is why the Calgary Flames havent made a decision yet.

Honestly, this whole 'Treliving considering everything' thing is beginning to look a lot like decision paralysis.

[Royle9]

I get that people like to post tidbits of "inside information" and ask Mod's to PM them and the sort. I imagine the CP Mod team does to some extent follow up on that but unfortunately the rest of us never know if said rumor does appear to have some validity to it.

Is there any way moving forward we can at least get confirmation that the source is at least somewhat reputable? I know the easiest solution is to just discredit everything said on the forum and wait until official news comes out but its nice to think as die hard fans we have some ability to see potential rumblings before the general public.

The last thing we want however is a bunch of people posting Eklund style E4 rumors and having this thread turn into a bunch of BS.

Is that a reasonable ask?

[Toonage]

I like Royle's idea. Is it possible to have "verified" or some other such add under their username to know if a person has reputable sources? I mean, once properly vetted.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by zamler

Alain Vigneault was fired right after game 82. Gulutzan is still head coach, that makes me think there is still serious consideration being given to bringing him back next season.

This is almost a certainty and highly troubling considering this is really a make or break year coming up for the entire franchise and it's current core of players. When you consider how the team finished it is likely that Gulutzan no longer has the confidence of the majority of the locker room. How do you possibly consider bringing this back for another crack?

Madness.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I like Royle's idea. Is it possible to have "verified" or some other such add under their username to know if a person has reputable sources? I mean, once properly vetted.

I have clarified my source with both Bingo and Jiri.

[ah123]

Originally Posted by Locke

The point isnt that they fired their coach, its that they made a decision and executed it promptly.



Whether you want AV or not, the real question is why the Calgary Flames havent made a decision yet.



Honestly, this whole 'Treliving considering everything' thing is beginning to look a lot like decision paralysis.

I think the Flames will only fire GG if there is someone better available who is also willing to coach in Calgary. I don’t think they want to run the risk of having to hire just “anyone”. If GG is let go, I expect the Flames to announce the replacement at the same time

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

I have clarified my source with both Bingo and Jodi.

I don't doubt that. It would be handy to see users that have info such as yours with a "Verified" or something under their name so we know or are reminded that you have legit sources and so no one feels the need to ask you or question it. It would be useful, right?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

I have clarified my source with both Bingo and Jodi.

We traded Jiri for Jodi? Were there any picks involved?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Locke

The point isnt that they fired their coach, its that they made a decision and executed it promptly.

Whether you want AV or not, the real question is why the Calgary Flames havent made a decision yet.

Honestly, this whole 'Treliving considering everything' thing is beginning to look a lot like decision paralysis.

I'm super torn to be honest.

I'm just as disappointed as everyone in how the season went, just not as quick to hang the coach for it as I really don't want a return to collapse down low, block shots and counter strike hockey as they had under Hartley.

I fear Vigneault's Ranger teams play a very Hartely-esque style, at least from what I've seen from Ranger fans and his underlying numbers.

But the Peters thing is odd too ... you replace one of two coaches that managed to miss the playoffs with numbers that would suggest otherwise with another ... but I do think Carolina stands out with their save percentage with Darling killing them.

On Treliving I certainly don't think you can hang decision paralysis on the man given the heat he's taking for moving picks, swapping goaltenders, and now potentially moving on to his third coach (one inherited).

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ah123

I think the Flames will only fire GG if there is someone better available who is also willing to coach in Calgary. I don’t think they want to run the risk of having to hire just “anyone”. If GG is let go, I expect the Flames to announce the replacement at the same time

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I don't doubt that. It would be handy to see users that have info such as yours with a "Verified" or something under their name so we know or are reminded that you have legit sources and so no one feels the need to ask you or question it. It would be useful, right?

Well, the mod team hasn't outright said he is full of crap so I think it's safe to assume it's a good source.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

This is almost a certainty and highly troubling considering this is really a make or break year coming up for the entire franchise and it's current core of players.

These expressions of absolutism and repeated ultimatums continue to be annoying and tiresome. There is nothing certain about the Flames' coaching situation aside from the fact that they have not yet announced their decision for next season. Moreover, I don't see how this next year will decide the ultimate future of the entire franchise. I agree, it is a big year, but let's not get carried away.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

I have clarified my source with both Bingo and Jodi.

I'm not doubting the fact that you did.

I'd just like even a reply from either of them on the thread to say "Confirmed" or "Source checks out" at the end of the day Bingo or Jiri hold no fault either way, but it confirms from a CP standpoint that the rest of us can at least feel somewhat comfortable with it.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Well, the mod team hasn't outright said he is full of crap so I think it's safe to assume it's a good source.

Of course, I'm not singling him out just thinking of a way that anyone who has info can be identified at a glance as being someone trustworthy. Like Royle said, you don't want a forum filled with Eklund types. Not trying to discredit anyone so much as make their life easier and make it easier for us regular types to identify the insiders here.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm super torn to be honest.

I'm just as disappointed as everyone in how the season went, just not as quick to hang the coach for it as I really don't want a return to collapse down low, block shots and counter strike hockey as they had under Hartley.

I fear Vigneault's Ranger teams play a very Hartely-esque style, at least from what I've seen from Ranger fans and his underlying numbers.

But the Peters thing is odd too ... you replace one of two coaches that managed to miss the playoffs with numbers that would suggest otherwise with another ... but I do think Carolina stands out with their save percentage with Darling killing them.

On Treliving I certainly don't think you can hang decision paralysis on the man given the heat he's taking for moving picks, swapping goaltenders, and now potentially moving on to his third coach (one inherited).

Okay and that makes a degree of sense.

But lets use this comparison:

Our goaltenders totally failed last season. What did he do? Jettisoned them and got new ones.

Our coach has totally failed. What has he done? Why the thumb twiddling?

We all know why, because as coaches go so tend to GMs, but thats not necessarily the case here.

Honestly, I dont have a problem with analyzing things, but much like the jury is out on Gulutzan due to advanced stats that get analyzed over and over again sometimes you just have to make a call.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'm not doubting the fact that you did.

I'd just like even a reply from either of them on the thread to say "Confirmed" or "Source checks out" at the end of the day Bingo or Jiri hold no fault either way, but it confirms from a CP standpoint that the rest of us can at least feel somewhat comfortable with it.

Originally Posted by Toonage

Of course, I'm not singling him out just thinking of a way that anyone who has info can be identified at a glance as being someone trustworthy. Like Royle said, you don't want a forum filled with Eklund types. Not trying to discredit anyone so much as make their life easier and make it easier for us regular types to identify the insiders here.

I'm fairly sure that anytime someone posts a 'scoop' and says mods can PM them, they do. You're both assuming that the mods have to post to confirm it's legit, except I think they operate the other way and only post something if the source isn't legit.

It's 6 of one half dozen of the other. If the mods don't squash it then operate with the assumption that it's legit.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I get that people like to post tidbits of "inside information" and ask Mod's to PM them and the sort. I imagine the CP Mod team does to some extent follow up on that but unfortunately the rest of us never know if said rumor does appear to have some validity to it.

Is there any way moving forward we can at least get confirmation that the source is at least somewhat reputable? I know the easiest solution is to just discredit everything said on the forum and wait until official news comes out but its nice to think as die hard fans we have some ability to see potential rumblings before the general public.

The last thing we want however is a bunch of people posting Eklund style E4 rumors and having this thread turn into a bunch of BS.

Is that a reasonable ask?

It isn't realistic.
What we do is typically ask the person for some sense of who they know and how. But we don't have any ability to
- Confirm they actually do know the person
- Confirm if the person said that to them
- Confirm if that information is accurate

And there is no way for us to do any of that.
In journalism typically you need two sources at least to go with something. That's also not realistic here.

I don't think this is a site with a ton of rumors, and in the past, stuff has broken here. But if folks want this stuff to be held to a high standard, it likely means we simply don't have any of it. That doesn't feel right either.

So I would say you should largely decide for yourselves what is legit and what isn't. If someone is posting something that is clearly misleading or false we will remove it, but if we don't remove it - it certainly isn't some sort of explicit verification that its true.