2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Trade the guys that will generate a return, like Mangiapane and Dube, if you are wanting to move bodies.

Then you need the Duehrs and Greers to fill the lineup.

Good luck trading Mangiapane right now. $5.8M for a 16G, 45P pace(same as last year), would be a bit much for most teams.

As for Dube, I mentioned him as well, but he's already playing on the 4th line.

I could see a deal like Tanev + Duehr to TOR, or Hanifin + Greer to BOS at the deadline. I'm not saying you should move those players at all costs, but I could see them moving at the trade deadline.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

https://twitter.com/user/status/1732480287869989261

https://twitter.com/user/status/1730627741941195053

It could be my rose colored glasses, but I think he's worth more than a 2nd.

It should cost a pretty penny to take a Tanev home.

How tf is Walker returning more than a guy who prevents as well as Tanev, especially under pressure.

Not many guys are throwing their face in the path of slappers without a second thought.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Good luck trading Mangiapane right now. $5.8M for a 16G, 45P pace(same as last year), would be a bit much for most teams.

As for Dube, I mentioned him as well, but he's already playing on the 4th line.

I could see a deal like Tanev + Duehr to TOR, or Hanifin + Greer to BOS at the deadline. I'm not saying you should move those players at all costs, but I could see them moving at the trade deadline.

I'm just saying: Duehr and Greer have very little to no trade vaue. But you need guys like that to ice a team, when you start trading other assets away.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

https://twitter.com/user/status/1732480287869989261

https://twitter.com/user/status/1730627741941195053

It could be my rose colored glasses, but I think he's worth more than a 2nd.

Awesome chart, hopefully that starts making the rounds. Conspiracy theory maybe, but the media "consensus" on Tanev is all geared towards lowering his value for a Maple Leafs trade. Then once they get him they'll be like "wow.. Flames really got screwed on that trade, turns out Tanev is a real heart and soul guy! An elite stay-at-home guy!" Just another reason I don't want to trade with the Leafs unless it's a clear overpay. Let Tre sweat it out, and then we'll see if Nylander walks for nothing too

And on Tanev, especially with salary retention.. at around $2.5M he is an absolute homerun addition for any team with Cup aspirations. I think a 2nd rounder is too low unless it's packaged with something meaningful on top of that.

[SilverKast]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Good luck trading Mangiapane right now. $5.8M for a 16G, 45P pace(same as last year), would be a bit much for most teams.

As for Dube, I mentioned him as well, but he's already playing on the 4th line.

I could see a deal like Tanev + Duehr to TOR, or Hanifin + Greer to BOS at the deadline. I'm not saying you should move those players at all costs, but I could see them moving at the trade deadline.

I'm ok with Dube at what he's making, you need guys like him to round out a roster anyways. I think he is what he is at this point, I was sort of hoping for more but if you can keep him around at this price point it's fine.

I also don't mind Mangiapane, but he definitely isn't living up to his contract. Can't blame a guy though for cashing in on a career season, but when you fail to consistently put up the same numbers you'll definitely feel the ire of fans.

I've also seen enough trades with the leafs in my lifetime. They owe us for all the terrible trades we've made with them - they owe us a few firsts for Leeman and what have you over the years.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Let's just not trade with Treliving this season, unless (as others stated) its a clear overpay.

If you have two similar returns and ones Toronto's, pick the other one.

As a fan I don't want to actively cheer against both zadorov and tanev. I like these guys

[sureLoss]

Friedman on the 32 thoughts podcast says he thinks Tanev is Treliving's top choice for a d-man.

All the other d-men Toronto is targeting are behind Tanev.

Vancouver, Dallas, and NJ among the many teams interested in Tanev

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Let's just not trade with Treliving this season, unless (as others stated) its a clear overpay.

If you have two similar returns and ones Toronto's, pick the other one.

As a fan I don't want to actively cheer against both zadorov and tanev. I like these guys

Get his 1st

Treliving is always willing to give up picks like candy

[Samonadreau]

Tanev is like the Backlund of D. He makes all his D partners look better too.

[HitterD]

Perhaps Treliving should pay for Tanev what he paid for Hamonic. Then the leafs can promptly miss the playoffs like Calgary did and we can draft our version of Noah Dobson finally. Everything comes back full circle

[Toast_Man]

Give me that Minten kid.

[1qqaaz]

Tanev is basically a perfect rental for the playoffs.
Brings exactly what is needed for a deep run, both in terms of on ice performance and intangibles. Has a cap hit that is manageable for a rental.

He's old, but that doesn't matter for pure rentals. Conroy should be able to get some value.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Tanev is basically a perfect rental for the playoffs.
Brings exactly what is needed for a deep run, both in terms of on ice performance and intangibles. Has a cap hit that is manageable for a rental.

He's old, but that doesn't matter for pure rentals. Conroy should be able to get some value.

The aim for Tanev has to be to try and extract a Ben Chiarot like return (in 2022, Chiarot returned a 2023 1st + 2022 4th). That would mean that Tanev with 50% retained is returning:

2025 1st Round Pick
2024 4th Round Pick

Now, perhaps Florida was just extra drunk that year - but really, that extra drink or two probably only cost them that 4th round pick.

A 50% retained Tanev should return something equating a 1st round pick (perhaps it's a future 1st, so not 2024).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I'm just saying: Duehr and Greer have very little to no trade vaue. But you need guys like that to ice a team, when you start trading other assets away.

Well I would argue Mangiapane and Dube also have very little trade value.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well I would argue Mangiapane and Dube also have very little trade value.

Depends who's looking.

But there is a logical reason to look to sell. For Greer and Duehr, they return nothing, and then you have ot replace them. It doesn't accomplish anything

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman on the 32 thoughts podcast says he thinks Tanev is Treliving's top choice for a d-man.

All the other d-men Toronto is targeting are behind Tanev.

Vancouver, Dallas, and NJ among the many teams interested in Tanev

Dallas makes sense. They’re a contender, but their big weak spot is RD.

[Blaster86]

One Dad, please.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ST20

There is no clear reason for why it needed to happen now

I've said it before. Corey Perry getting his contract cancelled created $4 million in cap space. That cap space in Chicago allowed Vancouver to unload Beauvillier so they could acquire a defenceman. The Canucks were going to acquire that defenceman right away, because they desperately needed to plug a hole. If the Flames had not traded them Zadorov, they would have found someone else and the opportunity would have been gone.

That's why it needed to happen when it did.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I've said it before. Corey Perry getting his contract cancelled created $4 million in cap space. That cap space in Chicago allowed Vancouver to unload Beauvillier so they could acquire a defenceman. The Canucks were going to acquire that defenceman right away, because they desperately needed to plug a hole. If the Flames had not traded them Zadorov, they would have found someone else and the opportunity would have been gone.

That's why it needed to happen when it did.

That all makes sense. But the only opportunity that would be gone, is Vancouver. There would still be a market for Zadorov.

If Van was in a hurry, that should mean they pay a premium to address it, not Calgary receiving less, due to it

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That all makes sense. But the only opportunity that would be gone, is Vancouver. There would still be a market for Zadorov.

But every other offer for Zadorov required salary retention or a contract coming back. The Vancouver offer was the only one that would have freed up the cap space.