Maybe this "environment" thing doesn't sound so bad after all. Can I drive my truck on it?
As long as you put a "#### TRUDEAU" sticker on the rear window and attach some truck nuts as well, yes. Don't forget your sunglasses and Monster energy drink for maximum enjoyment!
Jeremy Nixon supported Danielle Smith in her leadership, the dude has zero credibility in my book. Hasn't he been collecting taxpayer dollars for some cushy gig she gave him? Another career Conservative, unemployable in the real world. I guess he's in good company with Pierre.
Conservatives win former Liberal stronghold riding in midtown Toronto. You would have to think the knives are out for Trudeau in his own party now. If Liberals can lose to Conservatives in midtown Toronto than all Liberal MPs can lose anywhere. I can't see how anyone in the party can let Trudeau take them into the next election.
Conservative candidate Don Stewart secured a byelection victory in the longtime Liberal stronghold of Toronto -- St. Paul's.
Stewart won by just 590 votes over Liberal Leslie Church in a surprise win for Pierre Poilievre and his Conservatives once all the polls reported early Tuesday morning.
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Conservatives win former Liberal stronghold riding in midtown Toronto. You would have to think the knives are out for Trudeau in his own party now. If Liberals can lose to Conservatives in midtown Toronto than all Liberal MPs can lose anywhere. I can't see how anyone in the party can let Trudeau take them into the next election.
I would agree with you. No way that the Liberals are going into an election with Trudeau at this point? It was already a dumb idea, but once you start losing ridings like that it has to be over.
Typical vote split. You'd think with so many angry people against Trudeau voter turnout would have been higher. I suspect there was some "Libs will win, no need" and "I don't like any option" voters who stayed home. I mean 500 votes is hardly a resounding victory. Stewart even had a concession speech before the late rally of votes that put him over the top.
Typical vote split. You'd think with so many angry people against Trudeau voter turnout would have been higher. I suspect there was some "Libs will win, no need" and "I don't like any option" voters who stayed home. I mean 500 votes is hardly a resounding victory. Stewart even had a concession speech before the late rally of votes that put him over the top.
You don’t think it’s a problem for the Liberals? They had been winning that riding in a walk since the 1988 election. They were winning by a 2-1 margin with half or over half the vote for 30 years until yesterday. This isn’t just “vote split” or “voter apathy”. This is potentially Liberals staying home because they don’t like the idea of voting for the CPC, but aren’t supporting Trudeau.
This is a disaster for the Liberals though. You lose ridings like that one and it doesn’t bode well for ridings that are actually contested.
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Typical vote split. You'd think with so many angry people against Trudeau voter turnout would have been higher. I suspect there was some "Libs will win, no need" and "I don't like any option" voters who stayed home. I mean 500 votes is hardly a resounding victory. Stewart even had a concession speech before the late rally of votes that put him over the top.
It's not the margin of victory of the story but rather the riding in which it occurred. This particular riding was won by ~25% in the last election when the Conservatives outpaced the Liberals in the popular vote countrywide. The Calgary equivalent would be if the Liberals won Calgary Crowfoot or similar riding.
There really isn't any amount of copium that can dismiss the message this sends for Trudeau's leadership. If the Liberals are losing this riding under any circumstances they are probably facing a snowplow similar to Mulroney's 1984 victory / PC's wipeout of 1993 in the election next year if they at minimum don't change leadership.
If I were in the executive of that party I would be pushing Trudeau out and trying to get a leadership race / convention in place before the end of the year to give the new leader time to properly introduce themselves to Canadians.
Yeah sure. And we can all agree it's more of an indictment on Trudeau and the Libs than it is a thumbs up for conservatism. But 500 votes is a razor thin margin, and this could have gone to the Libs again even with a protest vote.
I still think the Cons are going to lose, but this is absolutely a disaster for the LIbs, and dismissing it as a protest vote or a warning shot is underestimating it a lot, I think. This had been a Liberal riding for over 30 years and they always won rather healthily. The Cons haven't even had a decent vote count there since the 80s.
76 people on the ballot were as part of a protest looking for electoral reform.
Sure, the vote-splitting helped the Cons, but there's no guarantee those people wouldn't have voted Con - or voted at all. The NDP had 4000 votes, the Greens just over 1000, and the only other one over 100 had 234. All the other candidates other than the main 4, only got 1334 votes or so between them.
I still think the Cons are going to lose, but this is absolutely a disaster for the LIbs, and dismissing it as a protest vote or a warning shot is underestimating it a lot, I think. This had been a Liberal riding for over 30 years and they always won rather healthily. The Cons haven't even had a decent vote count there since the 80s.
76 people on the ballot were as part of a protest looking for electoral reform.
Sure, the vote-splitting helped the Cons, but there's no guarantee those people wouldn't have voted Con - or voted at all. The NDP had 4000 votes, the Greens just over 1000, and the only other one over 100 had 234. All the other candidates other than the main 4, only got 1334 votes or so between them.
It's a disaster for Trudeau. It could be good news for Liberals who see it as a big risk to go into the next election with him leading. Lots of time to replace him, but it's still going to be an uphill battle for a new leader to not be seen as more of the same after so many years.
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It's a disaster for Trudeau. It could be good news for Liberals who see it as a big risk to go into the next election with him leading. Lots of time to replace him, but it's still going to be an uphill battle for a new leader to not be seen as more of the same after so many years.
If this is any sort of indication, the Liberals are hooped regardless. Trudeau has stained the Liberal brand that badly.
