Calgary Civic Election: Mayoralty Poll #4 - The Heat is On

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by jjgallow

have a link?

and not just a list, something with dollars.

You can see McIvers here: http://www.ricmciver.ca/wp-content/u...24Sept2007.pdf

Notice this is from the past three years and there is over $700k with a lot of that money coming from developers.

Nenshi's list: http://accountability.nenshi.ca/ primarily smaller donations.

Barb's list: http://barbhiggins.ca/assets/files/b...donor-list.pdf (this was really hard to find actually..) I haven't looked at it thoroughly though.

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There's a couple of things that I find interesting about the top three candidates. I've been a pretty vocal advocate of Nenshi, and he hasn't disappointed me during this campaign. But what really impresses me is that within his "Better Ideas" he's generated reasoning and ways in which he wants to accomplish these things. First and foremost in order to get this city moving in the right direction we have to have a council that is able to work together. Ric McIver is the antithesis of this in my opinion. Pretty much everything McIver has done on council has created tension and has splintered council. I don't think he's capable of getting along with others on council to actually get things done. I'm not sure Higgins is capable of this either. She's generated a reputation whereby if you don't agree with her, she becomes quite defensive. So, how does this help you run the city if you're challenged and can't work with others. A guy like Gian-Carlo Carra faces the same challenge. He's an arrogant, egotistical jerk from many personal accounts I've heard, and that doesn't work for the people.

You have to be able to work together to get things done, and I think Nenshi is the kind of guy who is capable of doing that. He seems capable of listening and allowing for there to be discussion to come up with the best possible solution. His better ideas, they aren't HIS ideas per-se, they're the result of a lot of consultation with a lot of people.

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by The Goon

I am still having a hard time deciding who to go with for mayor. I have been leaning towards Joe Connelly all the time, and I may end up going with him.

Still, there have been some interesting proposals from Naheed Nenshi and Ric McIver. I will have to sleep on it.

That's something we haven't seen much of in this thread. Can I ask what draws you to Connelly? Personally I can't stand him so he's never even been on my radar.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by jjgallow

I watched that artsvote incident. She was very polite with McCourt.

This guy went on and on about how Barb must have done a lot of thinking in her "kitchen".

Then he called one of her staff, and former campaign manager a "political screwup".

I watched that entire video, and at no point did she throw a tantrum. She stood up to the reporter, showing the exact kind of strength Calgary needs.

Off camera, she made an off-handed comment to the artsvote kids who were asking ridicuous, ridiculous questions to begin with. I thought long and hard about this: It showed honesty and it was overblown because she was a woman. Both Nenshi and Ric have used the word "crap" at various times in their campaign and it drew no attention whatsoever. It was Highly overblown.

If you want to see a "tantrum", look at the leading candidate for Toronto mayor. Then tell me how Barb's off-camera "crap" remark even made the news.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOi2wIUCTnA

The gender card? Really? She was unprofessional during her entire time at CityTV. Anyone that can't disagrees with that is simply choosing what they want to see. She's lost this race because she has time and time again shown that she can't be taken seriously.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by jjgallow

She is the strongest of the three, imho. She is the only candidate thus far which has shown full integrity.

She lost any respect I had for her when she turned down the debate with Nenshi and McIver. All she's done this whole election is try to hide behind her name and hope that a few buzz words and recognition get her in.

McCourt was kind of onto something in his grilling of her when he mentioned that the other candidates had been working their entire lives towards this goal, where as she was called by a group and had the idea 'thrown' at her a few months ago.

I really doubt that even if she had some good idea's, she could implement them properly with her lack of experience.

[HotHotHeat]

With the race for the city's top job in a dead heat it's likely some Calgarians could be voting strategically come Monday.

Mount Royal Political Scientist Lori Williams tells 660News when people head to the polls, some could change their preferred vote to stop a candidate they don't like from getting the mayor's chair.

Williams adds McIver and Higgins are both seen as fiscal conservatives, so a split could happen between those two candidates -- benefiting Nenshi.

But Higgins and Nenshi are seen as having fresh perspectives and that could be another area where a split may occur -- giving McIver the advantage.

But who would Calgarians least like to see nabbing the city's top job?

. . .

"I don't know, he just seems a little too stuffy... a little too militant to me. And he probably isn't looking out for my interests," said Keith.

However, a handful of others tell 660News they wouldn't want Barb Higgins to win.

"She just seems to have run a very a very poorly managed campaign, very unorganized," said Greg.

However, not one person 660News spoke with said they thought Naheed Nenshi would be the worst choice for mayor.

http://www.660news.com/news/local/ar...want-for-mayor

[jjgallow]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

http://www.ricmciver.ca/wp-content/u...24Sept2007.pdf

http://accountability.nenshi.ca/

http://calgarypolitics.com/2010/10/03/wallet2/

You have links, but the info is not accurate/complete/fully public.
http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alber.../15717461.html

Having said that, you've got me on McIvor. Those developer dollars there are scary, so I stand corrected on him. I'm voting for Barb anyway though, so it doesn't change the point I was making.

Bronconnier and McIvor are both crookedly leveraged by developers, at similar levels:
http://www.ffwdweekly.com/article/ne...aign-financin/

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by jjgallow

You have links, but the info is not accurate/complete/fully public.
http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alber.../15717461.html

Having said that, you've got me on McIvor. Those developer dollars there are scary, so I stand corrected on him. I'm voting for Barb anyway though, so it doesn't change the point I was making.

Did you even read the article?

Last line: "Higgins was unavailable for comment." Typical.

For christ's sake, Nenshi updated his list YESTERDAY. Higgins hasn't updated hers since September.

Anyway, I thought you were logging off?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Barb Higgins is a gimmick.

[jjgallow]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Did you even read the article?

Last line: "Higgins was unavailable for comment." Typical.

For christ's sake, Nenshi updated his list YESTERDAY. Higgins hasn't updated hers since September.

Anyway, I thought you were logging off?

September 27th you mean...just three weeks ago. None of the candidates publicly disclosed their full list, so they all receive "F"'s there. What's the point of updating a partial list?

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by jjgallow

September 27th you mean...just three weeks ago. None of the candidates publicly disclosed their full list, so they all receive "F"'s there. What's the point of updating a partial list?

Is this is not a full list?

http://accountability.nenshi.ca/

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Is this is not a full list?

http://accountability.nenshi.ca/

Aaand an article on it!
http://www.nenshi.ca/new/2010/495

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by jjgallow

September 27th you mean...just three weeks ago. None of the candidates publicly disclosed their full list, so they all receive "F"'s there. What's the point of updating a partial list?

I'm sorry, is three weeks (one week shy of a full month) not more than one single, lonely day?

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Is this is not a full list?

http://accountability.nenshi.ca/

People knocking Nenshi's list say it's not a complete list because it doesn't show exact dollar amounts.

Really... does it matter if Malcolm Dort donated $25 vs $50? That level of detail is irrelevant.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Is this is not a full list?

http://accountability.nenshi.ca/

It certainly is - I'm on it and I donated on Friday.

[jjgallow]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

I'm sorry, is three weeks (one week shy of a full month) not more than one single, lonely day?

Lol....well I can find some common ground in your humor, and thank you for your comparison of three weeks to one month.

Since none of the candidates provided full disclosure, maybe I can give Nenshi an F+ and Barb/Ric an F there since his incomplete disclosure was more timely.

Yes, I promised to log off.

Let me just say this:

It's a race between and Ric and Barb, that's the reality.
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/djcl...-and-element-m

If you're voting strategically, it's between those two. I like Nenshi, and I wish he had run for Alderman. He's not my favorite, and he's not a contender for mayor. Even if this late surge were accurate (and it's not), there was massive advanced polling this year and he just wasn't anywhere near contention when most of those votes were cast.

Nenshi aside, there are big differences between Ric and Barb. Neither is ideal. One has lots of Aldermanic experience and little to show for it. The other has no Aldermanic experience but exhibits people skills and solutions. Choose wisely...if you split the vote with Nenshi, you can't complain if your least favorite candidate gets in.

[jjgallow]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

People knocking Nenshi's list say it's not a complete list because it doesn't show exact dollar amounts.

Really... does it matter if Malcolm Dort donated $25 vs $50? That level of detail is irrelevant.

How do you know Malcolm Dort didn't donate $25 10,000 times in a row?

Exact dollar amounts Is important, but more importantly, it does not give a Total. None of the candidates have disclosed a total.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by jjgallow

Since none of the candidates provided full disclosure, maybe I can give Nenshi an F+ and Barb/Ric an F there since his incomplete disclosure was more timely.

Seriously. What do you call this? What more do you want?

http://accountability.nenshi.ca/

It's a race between and Ric and Barb, that's the reality.
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/djcl...-and-element-m

And surveys most defiantly do not tell the whole story in this day and age, since a lot of them are based on ground landlines, whereas the 18-35 age population is more technological savy and make more use of cellular cell phone. Based on all the media reports, hearsay, and signs pointing towards Nenshi momentum gain over this election period, especially in the final weeks, it is most defiantly a 3 man race. Not just two alone.

[topfiverecords]

It sure is a two-horse race between Higgins and McIver.
For 2nd

[Kjesse]

I think Higgins support faded with her lacklustre campaign. The people in my office who initially were going to vote Higgins have changed their mind, and in general they have moved to Nenshi, though a couple have moved to McIver.

I expect a McIver victory tomorrow, but would prefer a Nenshi victory. Higgins winning would be bad for Calgary IMHO.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by jjgallow

How do you know Malcolm Dort didn't donate $25 10,000 times in a row?

Exact dollar amounts Is important, but more importantly, it does not give a Total. None of the candidates have disclosed a total.

Okay, but there are a lot of names on that list of whom actually donated for his campaign. What does that say? Still not full enough?