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Old 06-06-2024, 08:21 AM   #1241
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The trade market was weak because the flat cap had left many teams capped out.



And in general, teams are becoming more reluctant to trade away firsts. Young players who can come in and contribute on entry-level contracts are gold in today’s NHL. The reason the Stars were able to ice a contender in spite of the Seguin and Benn contracts is they have Johnston, Stankoven, and Harley on entry-level deals.
Yup. The days of GMs easily giving up 1sts in trades for 28+ year old players are gone and will be quite rare moving forward with teams understanding how critical high value ELC players are to a team's success if they want to also have high contract stars on their team.
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Old 06-06-2024, 08:22 AM   #1242
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The trade market was weak because the flat cap had left many teams capped out.

And in general, teams are becoming more reluctant to trade away firsts. Young players who can come in and contribute on entry-level contracts are gold in today’s NHL. The reason the Stars were able to ice a contender in spite of the Seguin and Benn contracts is they have Johnston, Stankoven, and Harley on entry-level deals.
Almost every team that’s traded a first in the past few years has regretted it. Toronto looked like idiots.
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Old 06-06-2024, 08:43 AM   #1244
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Yup. The days of GMs easily giving up 1sts in trades for 28+ year old players are gone and will be quite rare moving forward with teams understanding how critical high value ELC players are to a team's success if they want to also have high contract stars on their team.
I think teams will still rather give up 1st round picks rather than players like Stankoven etc. as players who are closer to producing at the NHL level are especially valuable.

Most later first round picks are years from producing, if ever.
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I'm still kind of shocked how little the Flames got for a double retained Tanev. Ouch.
A late 2nd and a guy who had 1 assist in 20 games with the Wranglers.

I thought the perception was that he had a lot of value.
A physical shut down defenseman was never acquired for point production, but I think you know that.

I would have pointed to the fact that he wasn't suited up for a single playoff game as a negative if I was you! That one has legs.

If you don't get a 1st you get two seconds. If you can't get the 2nd 2nd you get a player that has a 25% chance of playing in the NHL and you break that 2nd 2nd even.

Hopefully the 2nd and the player both make the mark but if one does you've beaten the odds.
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I think people would have been fine if it was a 1st + a cap dump which was available but the Flames didn't take it. Hopefully Grushnikov is good
The problem is both the trades with cap dumps had the player still under contract for another year. The Colorado first pick also wasn't until 2025.
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The problem is both the trades with cap dumps had the player still under contract for another year. The Colorado first pick also wasn't until 2025.
For sure, I am not saying it was actually a better deal for the Flames but if the Flames went with it then I don't think people would be saying it wasn't enough.
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Old 06-06-2024, 10:19 AM   #1248
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Would've done Tanev + retention +++ for Stankoven. Stars have an embarrassment of riches.
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Old 06-06-2024, 10:22 AM   #1249
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Would've done Tanev + retention +++ for Stankoven. Stars have an embarrassment of riches.
Stanky was a hot commodity at the time, I doubt any one could've pried him out of their system.
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Would've done Tanev + retention +++ for Stankoven. Stars have an embarrassment of riches.
There is zero chance he was available. he is exactly what the Stars need. Guy on a cheap contract that is contributing.
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Old 06-06-2024, 10:27 AM   #1251
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Would've done Tanev + retention +++ for Stankoven. Stars have an embarrassment of riches.
Would have asked! (I'm sure Conroy did)
Would not have done.
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What are those 3 +++? Picks?
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Old 06-06-2024, 10:58 AM   #1253
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Hopefully at least one of these low ceiling dmen becomes something
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We need a tanev replacement eventually one guys gotta pan out
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Stanky was a hot commodity at the time, I doubt any one could've pried him out of their system.
Firmly cemented into their future.
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Old 06-06-2024, 11:05 AM   #1256
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What are those 3 +++? Picks?
Whatever they are, it’s not enough.
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At least Tanev didn’t get sent to the oilers. That would be dark.
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What are those 3 +++? Picks?
Just meant to represent "and a lot more".
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Old 06-07-2024, 01:09 PM   #1259
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I'm still kind of shocked how little the Flames got for a double retained Tanev. Ouch.
A late 2nd and a guy who had 1 assist in 20 games with the Wranglers.

I thought the perception was that he had a lot of value.
Since you value counting stats so much we did turn a dman who one goal all year at the time of the trade into those assets.
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Old 06-07-2024, 05:56 PM   #1260
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Stanky was a hot commodity at the time, I doubt any one could've pried him out of their system.
The way everyone yells all at once collectively "Hell No" when Coronato is included in a trade, you just can not get close to a teams top 3 prospects in value for any rental these days.
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