Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am suspicious of Dube's intent on citing mental health. No doubt that a pending arrest is a really stressful situation and he had anxiety about it. I am sure the other 4 players did as well. And sure, maybe there are unrelated underlying issues, but the timing is just too convenient.
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I have explained this, but I appreciate that there are hundreds of posts to wade through.
This is the type of situation that leads to mental breakdown, crisis and risks of suicide. When someone has been hiding something, or worried about something for a long time and it finally comes out, it can be shattering.

To be clear, since others have misunderstood this - I'm not asking people to sympathize with Dube for that. I'm just staying that it is entirely reasonable that he suffered a major mental health event when he found it he was being told to report to be charged with these crimes.

[MBates]

Speaking of statements that are not like the others...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752461465393537278

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I have explained this, but I appreciate that there are hundreds of posts to wade through.
This is the type of situation that leads to mental breakdown, crisis and risks of suicide. When someone has been hiding something, or worried about something for a long time and it finally comes out, it can be shattering.

To be clear, since others have misunderstood this - I'm not asking people to sympathize with Dube for that. I'm just staying that it is entirely reasonable that he suffered a major mental health event when he found it he was being told to report to be charged with these crimes.

The extent to which this aspect is being under-recognized is interesting. Deception, especially of something perceived as shameful can break a person over time.

Even if no sympathy is deserved, to not be able to understand how mentally taxing it would be to conceal such a truth is a bit naive/ignorant

Not out of the question at all that news of dominoes falling could trigger an event. Even though at the end of the day, the words used by the team were still poorly chosen.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MBates

Speaking of statements that are not like the others...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752461465393537278

Oh man....you gotta tell us how this is going to go down.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I have explained this, but I appreciate that there are hundreds of posts to wade through.
This is the type of situation that leads to mental breakdown, crisis and risks of suicide. When someone has been hiding something, or worried about something for a long time and it finally comes out, it can be shattering.

To be clear, since others have misunderstood this - I'm not asking people to sympathize with Dube for that. I'm just staying that it is entirely reasonable that he suffered a major mental health event when he found it he was being told to report to be charged with these crimes.

I think everyone understands this. Of course these accused rapists are suffering mental trauma.

This kind of feels like a so what? I don't understand why this needs to be highlighted in any way. By the Flames or anyone else really.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MBates

Speaking of statements that are not like the others...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752461465393537278

What’s different about this one to you?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The extent to which this aspect is being under-recognized is interesting. Deception, especially of something perceived as shameful can break a person over time.

Even if no sympathy is deserved, to not be able to understand how mentally taxing it would be to conceal such a truth is a bit naive/ignorant

Not out of the question at all that news of dominoes falling could trigger an event. Even though at the end of the day, the words used by the team were still poorly chosen.

Where are you getting the idea that people don't understand this?

What I don't get is why anyone cares. Most serious criminals conceal their crimes.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What’s different about this one to you?

The express declaration that the allegation is false.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Pekkerhead

It’s amazing to me that more energy is being spent on the flames messaging than the players that were charged.

These comments are weird to me.

This is a discussion board for a sports team. What could you expect to be discussed more prominently?

We don't know exactly what went on in that hotel room. So the Flames' press release regarding Dube and how they will proceed is the biggest ticket item to evaluate.

It doesn't mean people don't care about the victim or the incident in general.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by MBates

The express declaration that the allegation is false.

Dube's lawyers statement professed his "innocence".

Just curious what importance you are placing on this distinction?

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Another team can sign them like Kane and Perry lol.

confirmed: Dillon's next home game in Alberta will be as a member of the Oilers

[MissTeeks]

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/team...on-dillon-dube

We have now become aware of the charge of sexual assault that has been laid against Dillon Dube. We take this matter very seriously. Because the matter is now pending legal proceedings, we will have no further comment at this time.

We had no knowledge of pending charges at the time Dillon’s request for a leave of absence was granted

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Weitz

He also says he doesn’t believe the 5 on leave were the 5 to be charged, so do we trust his comments?

Seravalli has no credibility on this topic and should leave reporting on actual news to others. These aren't trade rumors.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

It’s somewhat refreshing to see that the majority of people making excuses for the player and team have knocked it off.

Dube’s played his last game with the Flames, anyone in management who knew about this should be let go, and that’s that. Stop supporting rape culture.

I am sure no one in management was in the room, to know if he was guilty before he has had his trial.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by MBates

The express declaration that the allegation is false.

??
That's exactly the same as what I saw from Dube's & Mcleod's lawyers.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Is the bolded in jest?

I do agree with your characterization that the Flames made a PR blunder, that is exactly how I would characterize it. A mistake to share information that was unnecessary, particularly when the allegations were known. The other teams did it right.

Maybe people would stop criticizing the Flames if people would stop defending their statement. Or maybe the Flames should issue a short apology and put it to bed.

I’m not defending the Flames statement at all, more criticizing the response I’ve seen online from people whose first and only comment is to jump down the Flames throat.

I think the Kylington situation is evidence the organization takes mental health very seriously. While their statement was stupid, I do think I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt based on their prior history. They can still do the right thing and I think that is a whole lot more important than what they said in a statement.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/team...on-dillon-dube

The slandering of the team because of the way they handled this needs to stop.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Dube's lawyers statement professed his "innocence".

Just curious what importance you are placing on this distinction?

I mean maybe its not that important...I was just surprised to see outright declaring the allegation to be false in an initial statement like this. And as far as I am aware none of the others have also done so.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MBates

I mean maybe its not that important...I was just surprised to see outright declaring the allegation to be false in an initial statement like this. And as far as I am aware none of the others have also done so.

Hart has, they all will. They are obviously going to take the defense it was fully consensual

[Ped]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The slandering of the team because of the way they handled this needs to stop.

This is print. It's libel.