[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[flamesgod]

Nvm

[Hockey_Ninja]

Don’t know if this has been posted yet, but:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550683791143931905

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Don’t know if this has been posted yet, but:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550683791143931905

I heard Oilers fans said the same thing

Didn’t know they admired Tkachuk so much

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Don’t know if this has been posted yet, but:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550683791143931905

If he’s referring to the Tkachuk family …

I guess?

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Still not a fan of this trade after having a moment to process it, but there’s no doubt there’s a whole host of questions that need to be addressed:

1. So Tre has found his Johnny Gaudreau replacement, where will he find his Matthew Tkachuk or other RW replacement?

2. Have the Flames actually improved from last season’s team?

3. After playing in a no state tax, how will Huberdeau react to $500,000 less take home pay

4. Will both players like snowy winters after living in Florida for so many years?

5. How much time does it take the new guys to gel with their new linemates?

6. How will they react to Darryl Sutter’s abrasive coaching style?

7. After years of CP lamenting about Tkachuk/Gaudreau’s playoff performances, the same applies for Huberdeau, how does he buck the trend?

8. Will Brad Treliving trade both Huberdeau and Weager if they both remain un-signed and we sit comfortably in a playoff position

9. With the Weager addition, what happens to Kylington? Is he traded? does he re-sign long term? short term? Does he still play with Tanev? Does Weager end up on the third pair?

10. How would the fanbase ultimately react if the team ends up suffering a quick playoff exit next season and lose both Weager and Huberdeau for nothing next summer?

No doubt there is and I can hear your hesitation, but let me address you point by point on why this is a massive win for us and prob one of the best trades.

1. There was no asset value once JG left. He screwed us from an asset management position. So you have to look at our team as it was yesterday morning, the 2022 Flames less JG. Today, we have a JG caliber replacement, and then a first rounder and a top 4 D man to replace MT.

2. You can’t look at improved from 2022 because with JG walking, we have a massive hole. From yesterday morning, we for sure are way more improved. Also, our defence is much better, we got a top 3 player in the NHL as a stop gap and can fill MTs old role.

3. He might not be happy with less money for sure. He also might actually like calgary, or might like a hockey atmosphere (which some players thrive under). We still are an attractive destination, not the best but definitely not the worst. don’t let JG (prob didn’t care about the spotlight) and MT (like his dad, he will always chase the most dollar and never would want to stay in Canada long term) situation scar you.

4. Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, they can make their path clear by the trade deadline if they want to stay in Calgary.

5. It will take time like with any other new players. Not sure how this is a concern on a team less MT or JG.

6. They likely will have a career year like most other players. Sutter is known for being a tough but fair coach, and can get the most out of his guys. You can’t assume he’s abusive and everyone hates him.

7. Maybe he needs a crowd to play in front of? A lot of gamers need that environment. If he isn’t a gamer, we can move him.

8. I think he will, the fans have too much PTSD from JG that he will 100% sell them at the deadline if they aren’t re-signed regardless of our position.

9. This is a good problem to have. Our defence drastically is better.

10. Highly likely this won’t happen. We know one thing about Tre is he’s smart, he knows he has egg on his face from JG, and he will maximize the return for Hubs at the deadline, which would be a kings ransom as that’s when his value would be at an all time high (barring injury).

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I wouldn't worry too much about Walsh.

At the end of the day it's Huberdeau's decision.

He trains in Calgary apparently so he knows the city. He's a Canadian and Calgary likely offers him the best chance to play in Canada and win with everything considered (cap space, team, coach bla bla).

I keep hearing he spends his summers in Calgary. Do we have any concrete proof of this?

A French Canadian millionaire who plays in Florida spends his summers in Calgary???

[PugnaciousIntern]

I’m more excited about Weegar to be honest

Weegar and Tanev on the back end is a real strong veteran presence. Essentially replacing Gudbranson with Weegar is an enormous bump.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Gaudreau - August 13, 1993
Huberdeau - June 4, 1993

Ok my mistake. Anyway point is they are similar age. If Johnny gets 7 yrs, so can Huberdeau

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Depends on how you view Weager vs Gudbranson. Offensively, the back end definitely got better, but probably lost a bit in the shut down/physicality department.

Although, the defense was absolutely obliterated by Draisaitl and McDavid in the BoA, so I don't really know what to think about our defense right now to be honest. If Weager does a better job at containing 97 and 29 then yes, it probably is a win.

Weegar is better defensively than Gudbranson. It’s a ridiculous comparison. There’s a reason you can pick up a Gudbranson in Sept. 2021 as a UFA.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by getbak

Does anyone know the last time two players who each scored 100+ points the previous season were traded for each other?

Originally Posted by accord1999

I took a quick look and the last time two players who had scored 100+ points in their most recent season and were traded for each other might be Gretzky for Jimmy Carson.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's the last one I could think of offhand.

Close but no cigar: Mike Bullard (105 pts. in 1987–88) for Doug Gilmour (105 pts. in 1986–87). Same year as the Gretzky trade, too.

Clearly, if the Flames want to pick up a 100-point player on the cheap, Brad Treliving needs to get on the phone and call 1988. They were growing on trees back then.

Thanks. Yeah, according to TSN StatsCentre, the Gretzky trade is indeed the only other time in NHL history that it's happened:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550699321590534151


It's funny, before I posted the question, I thought of the Gretzky trade and looked it up. I figured since that one came to mind so quickly, there must have been other times it happened back in the 80s and 90s.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Weegar is better defensively than Gudbranson. It’s a ridiculous comparison. There’s a reason you can pick up a Gudbranson in Sept. 2021 as a UFA.

Yeah the only thing Gud is better is fighting

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

A first line with Huberdeau, Lindholm and Mangiapanne should see all three with good stats and value going into the trade deadline. Sutter will likely also see Weeger have a great season. Personally, I'm not worried if they don't sign as long as the team is willing to make deadline deals for picks.

That depends if they are in first place or not.

[SuperMatt18]

Anybody who thinks Weegar is third pair or is comparing him to Gudbranson is just telling on themselves

[Bunk]

I was firmly in the rebuild camp - as I had no clue Tre could pull off such a move.

Big fan of this trade though. Just make a couple more all in moves (Kadri and/or another trade of a D for a forward) and see where this takes us.

[devo22]

still hope we stay far away from Kadri. Whoever pays him is going to regret it quickly, might as well be somebody else.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The only way it turns bad is if we don’t sign and keep them past deadline and loose them

JH at the deadline is worth a 1st, 2nd, and top prospect easily (look at Toffoli return) heck you may even get two 1sts

Unless Weegar falls off a cliff he’s a 1st, 3rd? And top prospect

So your looking at something around 3 1sts, 2nd , 3rd and three top prospects in value for MT

That is insane for a player saying they won’t sign

Not only that. Huberdeau will inflate stats for one other winger like Toffoli or other. Who you could then also move at deadline for a 1st pick+. Would not be surprised if he hits 30-40 goals on his other wing.

What is really interesting in Capfriendly is how the Flames have positioned their contracts. We essentially have almost our entire core (except Andersson and Markstrom) due another contract within 2 years. We could move several this trade deadline and the rest the following year and have very little dead weight contracts for an official retool/rebuild that begins in earnest in 2024-25.

Now I understand the plan Mr. BT sir...

I tip my hat to you and your management team. Despite being handcuffed as a Canadian small market this is a sound strategy I can live with. You also figured out how to benefit from a bad situation with Gaudreau's cap savings. Now you can sign Mangiapane and Kylington long term and are set up to re-sign Huberdeau/Weegar if you wish that kicks in next year when Monahan and Lucic anchor contracts are gone.

Give it a serious try this regular season with Sutter. If Huberdeau and Weegar fit in well and we are top of Division re-sign both before trade deadline. If they won't re-sign or team is mediocre than move them for serious draft capital and one or more others like Toffoli.

In the off-season next summer you have option to move several of the other valuable core assets for nice returns with one year left on all their deals and do a retool on the fly by moving two or more players like Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Backlund and Zadorov and possibly Markstrom.

We already have some key younger core pieces to keep if we retool like Mangiapane (assuming we re-sign, we have the cap for it now); Andersson; Vladar; Wolf.

I needed a plan and I think I see it now. Much more comfortable that I renewed my season tickets for this year.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yeah the only thing Gud is better is fighting

And being handsome

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by devo22

still hope we stay far away from Kadri. Whoever pays him is going to regret it quickly, might as well be somebody else.

Ya, I think I’d prefer trading one of our D men for a forward and try sign Klingberg.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

All I can suggest is that Tkachuk will certainly change the dynamic when you play Tampa! Wonder who Tampa's "Doughty" will be!

I bet Chucky drives Maroon crazy. He's the new Kassian.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by devo22

still hope we stay far away from Kadri. Whoever pays him is going to regret it quickly, might as well be somebody else.

Since Tre’s real talent is trades, that is probably the better route. Leverage the depth of D with the Weegar acquisition, sell high on a guy like Kylington or Hanifin, hope Suttter can improve Valimaki.