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Old 09-30-2022, 09:19 AM   #1241
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RB broke the budget cap
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:34 AM   #1242
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Why was this even a question?

F1 without Monaco would be like the Premiere League with no Man U.
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:39 AM   #1243
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:46 AM   #1244
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Pos. No. Driver Constructor Laps Time/Retired Grid Points
1 5 Germany Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 61 1:58:33.667 3 25
2 16 Monaco Charles Leclerc Ferrari 61 +2.641 1 18
3 33 Netherlands Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing-Honda 61 +3.821 4 15
4 44 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 61 +4.608 2 12
5 77 Finland Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 61 +6.119 5 10
6 23 Thailand Alexander Albon Red Bull Racing-Honda 61 +11.663 6 8
7 4 United Kingdom Lando Norris McLaren-Renault 61 +14.769 9 6
8 10 France Pierre Gasly Scuderia Toro Rosso-Honda 61 +15.547 11 4
9 27 Germany Nico Hülkenberg Renault 61 +16.718 8 2
10 99 Italy Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing-Ferrari 61 +27.8551 10 1
11 8 France Romain Grosjean Haas-Ferrari 61 +35.436 17
12 55 Spain Carlos Sainz Jr. McLaren-Renault 61 +35.974 7
13 18 Canada Lance Stroll Racing Point-BWT Mercedes 61 +36.419 16
14 3 Australia Daniel Ricciardo Renault 61 +37.660 20
15 26 Russia Daniil Kvyat Scuderia Toro Rosso-Honda 61 +38.178 14
16 88 Poland Robert Kubica Williams-Mercedes 61 +47.024 19
17 20 Denmark Kevin Magnussen Haas-Ferrari 61 +1:26.522 13
Ret 7 Finland Kimi Räikkönen Alfa Romeo Racing-Ferrari 49 Collision 12
Ret 11 Mexico Sergio Pérez Racing Point-BWT Mercedes 42 Oil leak 15
Ret 63 United Kingdom George Russell Williams-Mercedes 34 Collision 18
Fastest lap: Denmark Kevin Magnussen (Haas-Ferrari) – 1:42.301 (lap 58)
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Lots of talk that RB and AM broke the budget cap rules last year
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...igue/10376639/
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/w...-cap/10376990/
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/a...ches/10376865/
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...imit/10376774/
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Old 09-30-2022, 12:59 PM   #1249
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So what would be the outcome?
A stern lecturing?
Meaningless points deducted from 2021 constructors points totals?
Be nice if penalty would be applied to current season budget, but I doubt this is possible or likely
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Update on budget cap news.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1575925680797536256

Let's see what happens. Could just be a lot of hot air or it could be something
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Old 09-30-2022, 01:22 PM   #1252
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So what would be the outcome?
A stern lecturing?
Meaningless points deducted from 2021 constructors points totals?
Be nice if penalty would be applied to current season budget, but I doubt this is possible or likely
Rumour is that if it’s a small overage, <5%, that the penalty will basically be nothing.

Otherwise, fines, cap penalty, constructor points could all be an option. Not that RB cares. Not losing WDC from last year and no penalty will matter for this year. A cap penalty could cause them to go over this year and carry forward penalties to next year but I doubt they care about that either.
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Rumour is that if it’s a small overage, <5%, that the penalty will basically be nothing.

Otherwise, fines, cap penalty, constructor points could all be an option. Not that RB cares. Not losing WDC from last year and no penalty will matter for this year. A cap penalty could cause them to go over this year and carry forward penalties to next year but I doubt they care about that either.
Just to follow up on this because I’ve been reading up on this a bunch.

There are literally no specific consequences written into the budget cap rules. It mentions certain types of penalties that may be levied, like fines or WCC points, but doesn’t say when they’ll administer them.

And it’s been 10 months since the season ended and 6 months since teams submitted their receipts. What kind of a system is ever gonna work when the accounting isn’t done for a full season afterwards?

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Rumour is that AM’s overage is small. That would point to RB being the team over by “millions”. But who knows. So much noise and gossip at the moment.

Remember when Ferrari got caught cheating and the entire thing was made confidential by the FIA and they got literally no penalty at all? Sure they had to stop cheating and then had their worst season in 25 years but that wasn’t punitive, it was just the reality of their suck age without cheating.

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