PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

i have another topic and maybe a stupid question.

why don't Americans have ID? All Canadians have ID (i think).

No all people do not have ID. If you lose your ID and its $50 to replace it do you replace it? I do. Not all people would. Even free government ID's require applying for, going to pick up, and not losing.

In states with Photo ID laws voting among the poor drops. It drops by more than the total number of impersonation voter fraud cases ever.

So if you require ID to vote (I assume this is where your question was going) then you are preventing more legitimate votes in every election then you are preventing voter fraud. I believe the number is like 37 cases of possible voter fraud in the history of the US.

Simple error in counting is responsible for far more errors and people accept things like terrible ballot designs and no paper trails. Any discussion about ID is one of the classic conservative plays. On the surface the argument makes sense.

Everyone has ID,
We want to make sure the election is fair
Therefore you need ID to vote.

However in practice these types of laws benefit and are put in place by one party with the goal of disenfranchisement of specific groups. (not necessarily always racial). And they don't prevent the fraud they would intend to prevent.

Because if you were going to create some crazy bussing scheme to move 10000 voters across state lines to vote illegally. Adding fake ID's to this crazy scheme doesn't make it more difficult.

[GirlySports]

Well I have to drive so I have ID. But there are ID cards too.

In Canada we need photo ID to vote right? I always present mine automatically so I don't notice if it was actually required.

In the news I'm reading that the photo ID issue really suppressed the black vote.. but why just blacks? are they the ones without ID?

Also don't you need photo ID to get a job?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

In Canada we need photo ID to vote right? I always present mine automatically so I don't notice.

No, proof of name and address is all that's required. A utility bill and a bank statement in the voter's name would be enough.

[Regulator75]

[killer_carlson]

That actually isn't funny.

i've seen a number of times parents try and use the immigration process to thwart cusody orders and spousal support.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Not sure what point this is making considering there was minimal policy coverage through the campaign. A small minority of Americans understand and care about policy considerations so the media doesn't cover it.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Not sure what point this is making considering there was minimal policy coverage through the campaign. A small minority of Americans understand and care about policy considerations so the media doesn't cover it.

i think the point is that how can Americans understand and care about policy considerations when the media doesn't cover it.

[FlamesAddiction]

And that Clinton wasn't given a free pass by the media. Some people seem to think that the negativity only focused on Trump, but negativity in general is what sells.

Sort of topic, but can a former U.S. president run for a third term if it isn't consecutive?

[photon]

Lol, Google 'wankpuffin'

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Well I have to drive so I have ID. But there are ID cards too.

In Canada we need photo ID to vote right? I always present mine automatically so I don't notice if it was actually required.

In the news I'm reading that the photo ID issue really suppressed the black vote.. but why just blacks? are they the ones without ID?

Also don't you need photo ID to get a job?

In general poor people in inner cities lack ID. So its an economic thing rather than a race thing. However a large portion of the inner city poor black and that group votes disproportionately for one party.

I don't think I have ever been asked for ID for a job. I know I have needed to give them my SIN but Ive never had to produce it. I just write down the number.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

And that Clinton wasn't given a free pass by the media. Some people seem to think that the negativity only focused on Trump, but negativity in general is what sells.

Sort of topic, but can a former U.S. president run for a third term if it isn't consecutive?

Loop hole was closed in 1912 I think.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

In general poor people in inner cities lack ID. So its an economic thing rather than a race thing. However a large portion of the inner city poor black and that group votes disproportionately for one party.

I don't think I have ever been asked for ID for a job. I know I have needed to give them my SIN but Ive never had to produce it. I just write down the number.

not even for background checks?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

not even for background checks?

I don't think I have ever had a background check.

Your right though that to drive the company vehicle I had to have a drivers abstract and needed ID for that. But that was only for one job. So most I haven't

[photon]

I had a background check once for a job and I think I provided my driver's license.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Very solid post mortem.

Quoting this because I think everyone should listen to it - many solid points as well as the right tone (as opposed to the vitriol we are getting from most).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GGG

In general poor people in inner cities lack ID. So its an economic thing rather than a race thing. However a large portion of the inner city poor black and that group votes disproportionately for one party.

I don't think I have ever been asked for ID for a job. I know I have needed to give them my SIN but Ive never had to produce it. I just write down the number.

Typically you would also be asked for a blank cheque for payroll deposit, and that provides a window for a background check as well as identity verification.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Typically you would also be asked for a blank cheque for payroll deposit, and that provides a window for a background check as well as identity verification.

you have to have a bank account first. That must require ID? no?

how do blacks (to use a simple example) get paid in the US for the jobs they do without ID or a bank account. How does the US even tax these people? Sounds like chaos

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

you have to have a bank account first. That must require ID? no?

how do blacks (to use a simple example) get paid in the US for the jobs they do without ID or a bank account. How does the US even tax these people? Sounds like chaos

I was responding to those that posted that they had been hired for jobs without being asked for ID.

As for people without ID, their only option would be to work for cash (though, if they have no ID, they probably aren't working at all).

The flip side is people who choose not to have ID so that the man can't track them down and force them to do things like pay taxes. For those people, I am glad they are unable to vote (though there are obviously victims with the no ID - no vote policy).

[skudr248]

Originally Posted by photon

Lol, Google 'wankpuffin'

[puffnstuff]

There are a lot, if they get paid by cheque, arent using direct deposit to a bank account. They will use a cheque cashing place instead.