CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[Aeneas]

Flameswin, cc, and completly were the late hammer culprits I believe.

[GGG]

DEATHPOST

Get the rest of them. I think we should be able to go on a run now with the info available.

[Hockeyguy15]

Well at least both mafia are down to 3 now, time to do some more digging.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Aeneas

Flameswin, cc, and completly were the late hammer culprits I believe.

Yep, I was the hammer vote.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by devo22

awesome! Didn't expect mafia crossfire that early. Will have to go back and re-read bizaro86's posts. That's the best lead we've got so far, and we still haven't lost the doctor, the cop and the roleblocker. That night really improved our chances IMO.

Will do some re-reading tonight after work. Right now, I'm most suspicious of Lego Man. Other guys that are suspicious to me are transplant99, strombad, starseed and HalifaxDrunk. Will also take a closer look on the late unvote bandwagon on day 2, that seemed fishy to me.

This post stands out to me, he specifically mentions the late unvote on day 2. I would that that means the members of his crew did not unvote late, otherwise he probably wouldn't want to mention it.

Originally Posted by devo22

I can understand that reasoning and at this point, there's not much I can say to defend myself. The first vote was primarily gut feeling (really, there wasn't a lot info to go with on day 1) and I was wrong. The second cardflip really surprised me because I was convinced agulati was mafia. Just bad luck to strike out twice and that's why I'm still hesitant with vote #3 today.

I really just want to add that both GGG and kermitology are not on that list for the lone reason that after hmmhmmcamo, they unvoted agulati very late and to me, that strikes me as suspicious. Mafia knew that there were more than enough votes for agulati already and the lynch would still go through if a couple mafiosos unvoted. Great defense when you think about it, isn't it? "Well I knew he was town, I didn't lynch him, I unvoted!"

Again he goes on about the late unvote, he is really trying to draw attention to that.

Originally Posted by devo22

Pretty much rolled a dice and decided to vote transplant99 for now. I've been supicious of him for a long time, and even if he isn't mafia, he isn't exactly an asset to town either.

vote transplant99

He has really been on voting transplant, pretty much since the beginning. I don't think he would continue to bring up transplant if they were part of the same faction.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

Hopefully I can get people on board this time.

devo22 was on my list. The other two were not.

We now have a list of six people who have voted all three times to lynch a townsperson:

starseed
devo22
Rathji
flameswin
Baxter Renegade
Hockeyguy15

devo22 is dead now, obviously, so I have five prime suspects. They needed votes for the last hammer, so I am going with one of the above.

I sincerely hope my fellow townspeople listen to this logic now. I would have had no issue voting for devo22, but I wanted nothing to do with the vote that ended up killing activeStick.

I must say that this reminds me of the time my neighbour rented a live hippo for his birthday party. The company said you could ride the hippo, but it would only remain calm if everyone around it wore a tutu. For some reason, this soothed the savage beast. If anyone was not wearing a tutu, it was tusks and stomping time. Several birthday parties had been somewhat ruined as a result.

So I went over there around 10:00, clad in a baby blue tutu, which was the only manly option when you think about it. Everyone was standing around, eating Cheezies and drinking punch. The host had opted for elevator music covers of 50's hits for some reason. But there, in the middle of the living room, resplendent in its glory, was a full-sized live hippopotamus. It just stood there, people in tutus awkwardly standing about with orange dust and orange drink staining their mouths and hands.

I started to get really antsy, because there was an actual hippo in the room, and nobody was making a move to ride it. At first I just sort of hopped from foot to foot, trying to get someone to make a move. I mean, it wasn't my party, I was just a guest. I made a few hinting comments like, "So, what you guys think about the hippo?" and, "I heard riding hippos is fun. Anyone here ever done that?"

Finally, a few of the guests wandered off and left the party. They weren't coming back, either. Finally, I just couldn't take it any more and I blurted out the obvious fact that NOBODY was riding the hippo and if they weren't going to, I sure as hell would. The host seemed relieved, because six hours had passed and the party was really lame.

So I hopped on the hippo, it reared its majestic frame, and I rode that sucker all over hell's half acre. The people of the city were gawking openly at me as I charged down the street, screaming ancient Viking battle cries. I rode for well over two hours, and finally returned to thunderous applause from the party-goers. Then others took their turns, albeit not as majestically. Bikini-clad women appeared and sprayed beer all over the place while fireworks exploded in the background. The party turned out to be a rousing success.

But there's a lesson to be learned here. I will remind you that I rode a hippo, but in a frickin' tutu. So the moral here is that sometimes, even if you do something amazing and 100% right, you still end up looking like a bloody idiot.

I hope you get my point.

The list is where I take my stand, and I am comfortable voting for any of the people on it. I have grave suspicions about people I thought I could trust, and yes they appear on this list. The upshot is that at this point in the game, I will not vote for anyone who is not on it.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Aeneas

Flameswin, cc, and completly were the late hammer culprits I believe.

CaptainCrunch did defend Completely from Lego Man's "accusations" quite heavily.

If you look at CaptainCrunch's earlier posts he also talks about how the two mafia groups should try to work together:

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The mafia is going to be more content with killing towns people since even if they don't know each other they have a 2-1 kill advantage. You'd think that the two mobs would be perfectly happy in protecting each other for as long as possible.

I don't agree with his logic in the first place, I think it makes huge sense for the mafia to try and kill one another, but if CaptainCrunch is mafia this almost seems more like a hint to the other mafia group to work together. (I think he made another similar post later but can't find)

There's also Agulati, he was one of the first to call him out including giving him the first vote:

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

That Agulati post is making me itch in terms of the night kill, it almost reads like a post in the wrong thread. I'm throwing a vote out there, just to see if there's a confession.

Vote Agulati

Bizaro86 was quick to agree with CaptainCrunch.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Or maybe a Freudian slip. Definitely moves agulati up the suspects list, imo.

So he was one of the first to call out Agulati, had some quick support from proven Mafia. Goes and says he will not change his vote:

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm not changing my vote from Agulati.

But at the very least Lego bears some watching.

But then conveniently changes his vote:

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So I'm going to take a huge risk here, because I think I've cornered myself twice over

unvote

vote Lego Man

There are more then enough votes to hang Agulati based on a suspicious post that I started the vote on because it looked like a mafia mistaken post. But I want to to show honestly that I'm backing my suspicions

Not quite sure I want to throw him to the top of my suspicion list right away but I'm definitely to the point where if either Completely or CaptainCrunch end up mafia I will probably be voting for the other.

[Hockeyguy15]

Interesting back and forth between UCB and devo, kermit also decided to jump in.

In initial quote that started it all was devo voting for transplant again.

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

It is this type of post that makes we wonder if you are mafia.

Originally Posted by kermitology

So are you going to be suspicious of everyone who votes transplant99? You did the same thing to me.

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Are you Mafia like him?


There has been discussion about why people are voting:

UCB for Activestick
Captian Crunch for Legoman
Oling_Roachinen for Crazy Bacon Legs

Agree or don't agree but at least there is/are reasons given.

devo22 comes in says "pretty much rolled the dice", says he is suspicous, but give no reasons/example.

I make my post and you seem to come out defending devo22, so yeah, I think I will be suspicious of you.

Thanks

Originally Posted by devo22

^^

I was the first one who voted for transplant99, back on day 1. He brings nothing to the table other than rumbling about having a job and that real life gets in the way. He doesn't add anything to discussions and all of his votes have been given without any reasons. To me, he is either a mafia member who stays on the sideline deliberately or he is a bad townsperson. Even if he flips town, he adds NOTHING to us winning and that's why I voted for him.

I also have no problem voting for activeStick and I have said so a couple of times. Thing is that both guys are pretty good candidates for today's vote. Reasons for that are well documented in the thread and have been pointed out. If me not re-hashing those points makes me suspicious in your point of view, then so be it.

Originally Posted by kermitology

You seem to ignore the posts that explain and rationalize the voting process and just trigger on someone voting.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by devo22

Pretty much rolled a dice and decided to vote transplant99 for now. I've been supicious of him for a long time, and even if he isn't mafia, he isn't exactly an asset to town either.

vote transplant99

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

It is this type of post that makes we wonder if you are mafia.

Originally Posted by kermitology

So are you going to be suspicious of everyone who votes transplant99? You did the same thing to me.

I attacked devo22 vote and look who jumped right in to defend him.

[jayswin]

Just out of curiosity CBL, and I realize I'm drawying attention to myself by asking, but what's your suspicion of me besides the three town votes (voting's been a crapshoot so far)? Or is your suspicion puerly based on votes?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

Hopefully I can get people on board this time.

devo22 was on my list. The other two were not.

We now have a list of six people who have voted all three times to lynch a townsperson:

starseed
devo22
Rathji
flameswin
Baxter Renegade
Hockeyguy15

devo22 is dead now, obviously, so I have five prime suspects. They needed votes for the last hammer, so I am going with one of the above.

I sincerely hope my fellow townspeople listen to this logic now. I would have had no issue voting for devo22, but I wanted nothing to do with the vote that ended up killing activeStick.

Obviously I've made clear my suspicion of you but if Bizaro86 was noobie enough to say he wouldn't vote out a fellow mafia member that would make you Parker Mafia with Bizaro86. devo22 was Barrow Mafia so it doesn't really change anything with regards to the question why Bizaro86 was adamant about keeping you around.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Just out of curiosity CBL, and I realize I'm drawying attention to myself by asking, but what's your suspicion of me besides the three town votes (voting's been a crapshoot so far)? Or is your suspicion puerly based on votes?

I read over the last game a little bit, although I did not play in it. Your posting seems decidedly... different this game.

But mainly, it is the triple vote that concerns me. I have gone over a few posts from other players, but not you yet. I will let you know how mafia you are once I have done that.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

I read over the last game a little bit, although I did not play in it. Your posting seems decidedly... different this game.

But mainly, it is the triple vote that concerns me. I have gone over a few posts from other players, but not you yet. I will let you know how mafia you are once I have done that.

haha, okay thanks. Yeah, that was kind of purposeful on my part, as I only lasted one day last game. I tried to lay lower and keep my posts more simple this time, but I've strayed from that, as I just can't help mysef when I think I know something.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Obviously I've made clear my suspicion of you but if Bizaro86 was noobie enough to say he wouldn't vote out a fellow mafia member that would make you Parker Mafia with Bizaro86. devo22 was Barrow Mafia so it doesn't really change anything with regards to the question why Bizaro86 was adamant about keeping you around.

You realize that the one thing mafia probably wouldn't do in the early game is outright say they want to keep a teammate around, right? If anything, we need to look at people who are accusing people of being mafia and then backing off quickly. Now that's a pattern we might be able to identify some habits from. But for some strange reason you really want me dead.

have pointed this group in certain directions and away from others in the past couple of rounds, and I have been pretty darned accurate in my assessment so far. While people (which must include some mafia) have been quick to jump on lynching people who turned out to be town, I have consistently argued to go a different direction. If people had listened to me in the last round, we at least wouldn't have killed activeStick.

If anything, all you have done is pointed a finger at me for no reason from the start, and been the sole vote to lynch me the entire time. I'm not sure what I did to you (other than killing your hamster... sorry), but you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with me.

I can't help but wonder if I am getting a little too close to some of your buddies. On the other hand, I think if you were mafia I would have likely been night-killed already. So either you're a confused, obsessive townsperson, or you're good at this game and are trying to drum up support to lynch another townie.

[transplant99]

Interesting developments.

So far since this day has dawned i see the following being bought up as possible mafia...

Strombad.....who most certainly isnt mafia if you read from the beginning.

Street Pharmacist...again someone who if you read from the start is not mafia unless he is the best salesman going.

devo22....now this guy really does seem suspicious. Continually bringing me up as the one to vote for..and i most certainly am not mafia.

Crazy Bacon legs.....seems awfully suspicious as well but maybe not by his own doing. On top od which he has posted his "list" which beards some real merit. Worth watching heavily though.

CaptainCrunch....also bears some watching as pointed out by undercoverbrother...but so does undercover brother who is also somewhat adamant about me being mafia which raises my eyebrows in that i have given no reason to indicate that at all imo.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Interesting developments.

So far since this day has dawned i see the following being bought up as possible mafia...

Strombad.....who most certainly isnt mafia if you read from the beginning.

Street Pharmacist...again someone who if you read from the start is not mafia unless he is the best salesman going.

devo22....now this guy really does seem suspicious. Continually bringing me up as the one to vote for..and i most certainly am not mafia.

Crazy Bacon legs.....seems awfully suspicious as well but maybe not by his own doing. On top od which he has posted his "list" which beards some real merit. Worth watching heavily though.

CaptainCrunch....also bears some watching as pointed out by undercoverbrother...but so does undercover brother who is also somewhat adamant about me being mafia which raises my eyebrows in that i have given no reason to indicate that at all imo.

devo22 was killed last night and was mafia.

To me, that is really suspicious.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Interesting developments.

So far since this day has dawned i see the following being bought up as possible mafia...

Strombad.....who most certainly isnt mafia if you read from the beginning.

Street Pharmacist...again someone who if you read from the start is not mafia unless he is the best salesman going.

devo22....now this guy really does seem suspicious. Continually bringing me up as the one to vote for..and i most certainly am not mafia.

Crazy Bacon legs.....seems awfully suspicious as well but maybe not by his own doing. On top od which he has posted his "list" which beards some real merit. Worth watching heavily though.

CaptainCrunch....also bears some watching as pointed out by undercoverbrother...but so does undercover brother who is also somewhat adamant about me being mafia which raises my eyebrows in that i have given no reason to indicate that at all imo.

hahaha, tranplant's got some suspicion of Devo22. I'm actually glad transplant joined this game. Between the angry, agressive posts, the fact that he has "this thing called a job" and his total lack of effort, it's just one big comedy show.

[transplant99]

I am aware he was killed last night...thaks though.

I was pointing out where to look when deciding who to look at.

flameswin is also extremely suspicious IMO...just because he is so adamant about SP who clearly is not scum.

[Hockeyguy15]

Can you show me what makes you so sure SP is town? I must have missed it.

[starseed]

I think we should all agree to slow down the voting for a bit, as there is a crap load of posts to sift through, and we have flipped mafia from both sides now. There is a lot of info already out there, and we could yet get a lot more recorded before the next vote.