I won't put people like Cheney and Kinzinger on a pedestal either, especially when you consider some of their policies (Cheney's position on abortion, for example, is pretty extreme IIRC). But I will give them some credit, they at least live in the real world, have basic principles and put country over party. No wonder there's no room for them in today's GOP anymore.
Should Cheney run she might be able to split the votes by getting moderate Republicans to vote for her.
There is no such thing as a "moderate" Republican. It's a split between people who think women should not have bodily autonomy and people who also think that, but are also outright fascists.
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There is no such thing as a "moderate" Republican. It's a split between people who think women should not have bodily autonomy and people who also think that, but are also outright fascists.
This.
A moderate conservative just means Democrat.
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There is no such thing as a "moderate" Republican. It's a split between people who think women should not have bodily autonomy and people who also think that, but are also outright fascists.
I would consider people like Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger as moderate. People who believe in democracy and that the election was not rigged or stolen. Or members not a part of MAGA and their extreme right wing views.
It’s a sad world, when believing in democracy and not buying into election stealing conspiracy theories when elections don’t go your way, classifies you as a ‘moderate’.
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I would consider people like Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger as moderate. People who believe in democracy and that the election was not rigged or stolen. Or members not a part of MAGA and their extreme right wing views.
You've been duped. Cheney voted with Trump over 90% of the time and less than 20% of the time with Biden. She saw an opportunity and seized it. She's no different from any US politician.
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you've been duped. Cheney voted with trump over 90% of the time and less than 20% of the time with biden. She saw an opportunity and seized it. She's no different from any politician.
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I would consider people like Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger as moderate. People who believe in democracy and that the election was not rigged or stolen. Or members not a part of MAGA and their extreme right wing views.
That's not a moderate though.
You can be someone who believes bigoted, right-wing crap, like Cheney and Kinzinger do, without believing the insane QAnon stuff, but that doesn't make you a moderate.
If Kinzinger or Cheney were elected president tomorrow, you would still have the exact same issues pertaining to the SC, corporate welfare/anti-trust, gerrymandering, rolling back of rights for women and LGBTQ+, etc.
The idea that Trump represents a huge leap towards authoritarianism for the GOP isn't backed up by historical evidence. They've been trending at least since the W days, but likely as far back as Reagan.
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You've been duped. Cheney voted with Trump over 90% of the time and less than 20% of the time with Biden. She saw an opportunity and seized it. She's no different from any US politician.
She learned from her mistake and in the process got to see Trump for who he really is. Lost her Wyoming seat because she refused to support Trump and his les. She was removed from the house leadership for her Trump criticism. In the end she chose truth and integrity over lies. I would say she's different from most politicians who choose power over the truth in the Republican party.
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You can be someone who believes bigoted, right-wing crap, like Cheney and Kinzinger do, without believing the insane QAnon stuff, but that doesn't make you a moderate.
If Kinzinger or Cheney were elected president tomorrow, you would still have the exact same issues pertaining to the SC, corporate welfare/anti-trust, gerrymandering, rolling back of rights for women and LGBTQ+, etc.
The idea that Trump represents a huge leap towards authoritarianism for the GOP isn't backed up by historical evidence. They've been trending at least since the W days, but likely as far back as Reagan.
Since Nixon. That’s when the crazy train first pulled into Washington.
You've been duped. Cheney voted with Trump over 90% of the time and less than 20% of the time with Biden. She saw an opportunity and seized it. She's no different from any US politician.
No, I haven't been duped.
I think Liz Cheney (and Mitt Romney, and pretty much any other conservative politician) suck ass. I disagree with virtually every position she holds.
I also recognize that she believes in democracy and the rule of law. Sadly - that is now the bar for the GOP that virtually every member doesn't meet.
But there are still conservatives (who suck) but believe in democracy. They're not all in the Trump cult.
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You've been duped. Cheney voted with Trump over 90% of the time and less than 20% of the time with Biden. She saw an opportunity and seized it. She's no different from any US politician.
I’d say vowing to take Trump down and sacrificing her seat sets her apart from other Republicans, although she is still a Republican so there is that.
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I’m curious where the outrage today is from republicans about the politicized justice department that has now charged the sitting presidents son. Of course biden amd dems are silent on the whole thing, as is appropriate
Since Nixon. That’s when the crazy train first pulled into Washington.
Yeah, I guess I don't lump Nixon in as much because of the politics of the time he was in office. America was in the throes of a heavy backlash towards the anti-war and civil rights movements, and he just kind of represents that to me. That said, I wasn't born until 1986, so my perception is entirely based on what I've read and been told about that time period.
I thought Reagan really accelerated the U.S. into the culture wars, hyper-individualist, and fealty to corporations that we see today.
Yeah, I guess I don't lump Nixon in as much because of the politics of the time he was in office. America was in the throes of a heavy backlash towards the anti-war and civil rights movements, and he just kind of represents that to me. That said, I wasn't born until 1986, so my perception is entirely based on what I've read and been told about that time period.
I thought Reagan really accelerated the U.S. into the culture wars, hyper-individualist, and fealty to corporations that we see today.
and the religious right, Reagan tied the republican party to white christians and now can't escape it.
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