American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by photon

It really depends on the details.

There's a spectrum between Mitt Romney and Theo Fleury, and somewhere in the middle of that as it approaches Fleury my ability to enjoy anything made/done by a person goes to zero.

It's amazing how Mitt Romney gets a pass for his rare moments of true centrism and less for the other 95 percent of the time. He isnt afraid to make a principled stand when it makes absolutely no difference.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Odd to bring up Kelsey Grammar, as if it's not well known he's been a staunch conservative for years. Pretty sure he had some big thing a few years ago about how hard it is for conservatives in Hollywood.

I guess I'm always just disappointed to hear someone who seemed erudite supports Trump given the body of evidence.

Being a conservative doesn't mean you're a Trump supporter - See Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney, the Lincoln project.

Supporting Trump basically means you're all in on "stop the steal" and therefore either pretty ignorant and/or evangelical to the point that you think the bible is more important than the rule of law.

In any event - I don't follow Kelsey Grammar, so it was a surprise to me FWIW.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Has Grammar been spreading false information, Q-anon conspiracies, and anti-vax and anti-trans rhetoric, too?

I'm not thrilled he's supporting a known scumbag and my opinion of anyone drops significantly when they do, but I'm not going to completely write him off for it. The dude has been through a ton of tragedy in his life, but it doesn't seem like he's turning around to weaponize those experiences in the same way, as say, a Theo Fleury.

And where Schneider is an idiotic hanger-on, Grammer actually has measurable talent.

I know your comment is fully tongue-in-cheek, but I've started stepping back to take in a broader perspective on these things. Dave Chappelle made the rounds in the last few days for posing in a photo with Boebert and her crew - which she then posted with some terribly typical ant-trans commentary without Chappelle's knowledge - but the actual story behind it was pretty benign.

I was mostly pointing out I find their acting equally irritating. Honestly I have no idea how far off the deep end he has gone(if at all) and I don't really care beyond grinding my little tiny hatchet. Grind grind grind.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I was mostly pointing out I find their acting equally irritating. Honestly I have no idea how far off the deep end he has gone(if at all) and I don't really care beyond grinding my little tiny hatchet. Grind grind grind.

All good. Schneider is irritating, that's for sure.

Grammer defended Roseanne after that whole...thing, but so did Norm MacDonald, who I adore. Not sure about Grammer but for Norm that seemed like a guy standing up his friend and mentor. Norm condemned her Tweet.

I think we should be suspicious of anyone that says they specifically support a person like Donald Trump, especially politically, but I'm not sure it's worth the inevitable drag. If you disliked Grammer even before Trump that's different. Grind unimpeded, my friend.

[Whynotnow]

http://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/05/po...son/index.html

This is incredible and if anyone ever doubts where republicans are at on Jan 6 this is the article that pretty much seals it. They are of course releasing the footage for political reasons and it will be misused in so many ways, but they are bold faced in also saying they want to protect people from prosecution.

The quote “ we don’t want them retaliated against by the DOJ” makes it clear they don’t view these people as law breakers but victims of the doj. Stunning from the house speaker.

[direwolf]

Republicans: the party of insurrection. If I were American, I’d be outraged by that statement from the house speaker. Unfortunately we all know that they’ll be able to do this with zero consequences. What a disaster of a country.

[photon]

McCarthy is quitting at the end of the month. Kinda think it's a grenade to make the life of those that rejected him even harder since the R majority is already so thin now Santos and McCarthy gone.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by photon

McCarthy is quitting at the end of the month. Kinda think it's a grenade to make the life of those that rejected him even harder since the R majority is already so thin now Santos and McCarthy gone.

A slim majority should mean a more moderate house, but it is the opposite. It gives outsized power to the fringe right who is willing to use it.

[devo22]

history will not be kind to McCarthy. A spineless worm who furthered the erosion of democracy by bending the knee to the orange wannabe dictator and by selling out every principle to the most extremist members of Congress. An utterly despicable person who has done incredible damage that will haunt the US for a long time.

Go pound sand, Kevin.

[KelVarnsen]

Sadly humans don't learn from history very well so that won't mean much

[Johnny Makarov]

Seriously are there any good republicans left after McCain died?

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Seriously are there any good republicans left after McCain died?

Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney are the only sane ones I can think of.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney are the only sane ones I can think of.

not being bat #### crazy isnt the same as good

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Liz Cheney I would argue about being good or not, but at least she's principled.

Kinzinger is legitimately a good dude.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

http://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/05/po...son/index.html

This is incredible and if anyone ever doubts where republicans are at on Jan 6 this is the article that pretty much seals it. They are of course releasing the footage for political reasons and it will be misused in so many ways, but they are bold faced in also saying they want to protect people from prosecution.

The quote “ we don’t want them retaliated against by the DOJ” makes it clear they don’t view these people as law breakers but victims of the doj. Stunning from the house speaker.

It's a politically pandering quote, but an arguably defensible action to blur people's faces.



First, the DOJ already has all the footage that they're going to be releasing, so if there are people in the crowd that the DOJ wants to prosecute, they have what they need to go after them. So, what Jonson is doing is pandering to his base by implying that the GOP can 'protect' people from DOJ retaliation.

Secondly, if these videos are going to be released, then the public will absolutely go through them seeking to identify and dox people in the crowd. You can have your own thoughts about whether you think this is warranted or not, but I kind of lean towards thinking that the Government shouldn't HELP people be doxxed.

So, yeah, idiotic pandering from the living embodiment of the black slime that forms in unwashed bathrooms, and the GOP actually, maybe doing the right thing pretty much by accident?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney are the only sane ones I can think of.

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Liz Cheney I would argue about being good or not, but at least she's principled.

Kinzinger is legitimately a good dude.

Kinzinger is a poser. Dude still voted for Trump in 2020.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by driveway

It's a politically pandering quote, but an arguably defensible action to blur people's faces.



First, the DOJ already has all the footage that they're going to be releasing, so if there are people in the crowd that the DOJ wants to prosecute, they have what they need to go after them. So, what Jonson is doing is pandering to his base by implying that the GOP can 'protect' people from DOJ retaliation.

Secondly, if these videos are going to be released, then the public will absolutely go through them seeking to identify and dox people in the crowd. You can have your own thoughts about whether you think this is warranted or not, but I kind of lean towards thinking that the Government shouldn't HELP people be doxxed.

So, yeah, idiotic pandering from the living embodiment of the black slime that forms in unwashed bathrooms, and the GOP actually, maybe doing the right thing pretty much by accident?

But you see the problem with protecting the insurrectionists but no mention of blurring the police and other law enforcement people. You don’t think they might get dox’d by the Q and right wing crowd. Who deserves protection here? And the term retaliation is not just a pandering quote, it’s a dangerous twist if he facts.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Kinzinger is a poser. Dude still voted for Trump in 2020.

He also learned from his mistake and then worked feverishly to limit Trump's power and remove him from office, to his own personal detriment. Don't agree with Kinzinger on certain issues, but he is at least someone that can admit his mistakes, learn from them, and have the principles to do the right thing even if it costs him his place in congress. I wish there were more like him in congress, not less.

[photon]

Fake electors in Nevada indicted:

https://thenevadaindependent.com/art...-2020-election

A Nevada grand jury has indicted the six Republicans — including the chair of the Nevada Republican Party — who falsely pledged Nevada’s electoral votes to Donald Trump following the 2020 election despite President Joe Biden’s victory in the state.

Attorney General Aaron Ford, a Democrat, announced the indictments Wednesday of state party chair Michael McDonald, national committeeman Jim DeGraffenreid, Clark County Republican Party chair Jesse Law (who announced plans to run for state Assembly on Wednesday), state party vice chair Jim Hindle III, Shawn Meehan and Eileen Rice.

In a press release, the attorney general’s office said all six individuals had been indicted on two felony charges — offering a false instrument for filing and uttering a forged instrument by submitting fraudulent documents to state and federal officials.

The ones in Wisconsin settled a civil lawsuit agreeing to not serve as electors for any election where Trump is a candidate.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

He also learned from his mistake and then worked feverishly to limit Trump's power and remove him from office, to his own personal detriment. Don't agree with Kinzinger on certain issues, but he is at least someone that can admit his mistakes, learn from them, and have the principles to do the right thing even if it costs him his place in congress. I wish there were more like him in congress, not less.

I said 2020, not 2016. Kinzinger did most of his grand-standing and warning how dangerous Trump was post-2016, but prior to 2020. He then still voted for Trump in 2020, which to me indicates a level of insincerity.