American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Chingas

I don't understand how it is incomprehensible that some people might have reasons to vote for the UCP without being biggited anti socially-liberal a-holes, that must watch rebel news and go door knocking. There are a lot of good people on both sides in this country. Blanket hatred of the outher side and assuming that they all fall into whatever stereotypical image you may have is just plain wrong and says more about you than them.

Maybe I am naive and have lots to learn, but I like to think that I can have a mature conversation with people from all sides and try to be informed on what makes others tik.

Jumping up and down and calling anyone adverse to your voting choice deplorable scum strikes me as childish and hyperbolic.

We don't think all UCP voters are 'biggited' [sic]. We think they're all stupid though. Some are so dumb they continually post about Canadian politics in the American Politics thread.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

We don't think all UCP voters are 'biggited' [sic]. We think they're all stupid though. Some are so dumb they continually post about Canadian politics in the American Politics thread.

Can't blame him. No UCP supporter would step foot in the AB Politics thread.

Even geologists in Calgary avoid that thread like vaccines.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Yes its just liberals that are hyperbolic...

https://bsky.app/profile/paleofuture.../3lwagevr5t22n

No disagreement here. Fox news is garbage and basically a poorly written sitcom at this point.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

We don't think all UCP voters are 'biggited' [sic]. We think they're all stupid though. Some are so dumb they continually post about Canadian politics in the American Politics thread.

Fair enough. It was however someone else injecting Canadian politics in the US politics thread that got me started.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by #-3

I'll say it now, if a bunch of liberal activists, whose ranks are populated with and financed by a foreign left wing authoritarian movement, take over and blockade 1/4 of downtown Edmonton, then purposely disrupt the work and sleep of thousands of people, while the RCMP refuses to do anything to address it, then I will support emergency measures being taken by any level of government to remove the people without physical harm to them. I have no problem if that exact scenario happens and PP / Smith choose to take action.

I also would like to call attention to Fuzz's bull#### narrative a few pages back that there were no accomplishments under Trudeau aside from pot. Leaving the wok stuff aside that I don't particularly care about enough to support it or be upset about it. Among other things, CCB, Paris accords, GIS, expansion of CPP, keeping people afloat through COVID while keeping us somewhat less desiesed than the other side of our giant indefensible boarder, a middle class tax cuts (somehow without feeling the need to cut taxes for the wealthy), a framework for starting dental care, a start to universal childcare, and yes backing off the criminalization of recreational substance use.

I don't think he was the best prime minister, I definitely don't think he was a good politician, he was generally under effective and indecisive, focusing on the wrong problems or taking half measures.

Trudeau was generally lucky that he got to go up against a tired party then two guys who were dumb enough to believe stupid things like trickle down economics while running in a generally intelligent and educated country like Canada, against a credible opponent like 2000s Harper he would have stood no chance. But that doesn't mean he was equally bad as Trump or PP and nor should we accept the rights overblown false narratives as a reason for why we should all eat a #### sandwich.

All fair comments. I should be fired from posting.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

What is even more disgusting than that, is Maple Maga.

Imagine having a front row seat to the evil tyranny, corruption, destruction of communities, violence against minorities and stripping away of rights and civil liberties, taking from the poorest, denial of healthcare, and thinking, “yeah, I want some of that as well”.

Maple maga are the absolute dregs of North American society.

Make the west white again is a real thing.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have a problem with PP and can't get behind the anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ, and some of the other religious undertones but a lot of people care about their own personal situations and what they think will be best for them so as bad as you can paint the Conservatives from your personal perspective, the Liberals look equally poor from a different perspective.

God ****ing damnit, Erick. lol. Please show me that equally poor perspective. ****ing please, man.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The willful naivety to not see that the Canadian conservative movement is on the same path as the US is quite something. The denial, the both sides-ing, the reactionary defensiveness, we've seen this movie before. It's almost as if history repeats itself? No that's silly if that was the case there'd be some hokey saying about those who choose to ignore it something something.

****ing ridiculous is more like it, be more blunt. These people can't be that stupid, can they?

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

All fair comments. I should be fired from posting.

I love the taste of surrender

We just can't let people continue to conflate mediocre and awful.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by jayswin

God ****ing damnit, Erick. lol. Please show me that equally poor perspective. ****ing please, man.

Isn't this code for taxes, job growth coming from the private sector instead of the public sector, and the "economy"?

I could be wrong though.

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Fair enough. It was however someone else injecting Canadian politics in the US politics thread that got me started.

It was a comment about how scum maple maga is and PP that triggered you into complaining about my calling UCP supporters scum. You want freedom from the consequences fro the fact that you personally support fascists.

If your are willing to sit at the same table as fascists, even go door knocking for them, then you are scum. There are entire museums about this because of the harm fascists cause.

You and Estrada trying to bothsidesthis brings a quote to mind. “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre

We can all see through you.

[Drak]

“Hey guys, don’t talk about Maple MAGA fascists like that. It’s causing division….”

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Still not sure why people think there will be elections in 2028 or mid-terms in 2026.

Or actual legitimate ones at least.

Dems are polling at -30 points net favorability, compared to -8 points for the GOP.

Billionaires own the media, and social media even more so which is what dominates public opinion and voting behavior. That's how you rig an election in 2026. The midterms will look very fair on surface.

Plus Dems really are a mess, so there's that.

[Fuzz]

The thing with fascists is that they can't allow the public to have access to responsible reporting.

The Liberals are just as bad though, and Pierre is nothing like Trump. That's a fallacious argument, where would you get that idea?

[indes]

Originally Posted by Chingas

I don't understand how it is incomprehensible that some people might have reasons to vote for the UCP without being biggited anti socially-liberal a-holes, that must watch rebel news and go door knocking. There are a lot of good people on both sides in this country. Blanket hatred of the outher side and assuming that they all fall into whatever stereotypical image you may have is just plain wrong and says more about you than them.

Maybe I am naive and have lots to learn, but I like to think that I can have a mature conversation with people from all sides and try to be informed on what makes others tik.

Jumping up and down and calling anyone adverse to your voting choice deplorable scum strikes me as childish and hyperbolic.

I'd like the know the reasons. Do they have any policies that have helped anyone other than themselves? I'm definitely willing to listen.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The thing with fascists is that they can't allow the public to have access to responsible reporting.

The Liberals are just as bad though, and Pierre is nothing like Trump. That's a fallacious argument, where would you get that idea?

Defunding the CBC has been bandied about forever as it's a public broadcast service that only a fraction of Canadians use yet costs taxpayers $1.3 billion annually to operate. There are valid reasons behind defunding it that even Liberal voters support.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Itse

Dems are polling at -30 points net favorability, compared to -8 points for the GOP.

Billionaires own the media, and social media even more so which is what dominates public opinion and voting behavior. That's how you rig an election in 2026. The midterms will look very fair on surface.

Plus Dems really are a mess, so there's that.

And yet, despite this, all the recent generic House polls show the Dems up, albeit it within the margin of error. There's a reason the GOP are looking to gerrymander so hard. And the brunt of the economic pain from the Trump policies is upcoming, only been a love tap so far. But with multiple aces in the hole (ICE shutting down polling stations in Dem heavy areas; false flag terrorist attack to institute martial law; straight up cancelling elections just because), still tough to see the Dems winning outright.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by jayswin

God ****ing damnit, Erick. lol. Please show me that equally poor perspective. ****ing please, man.

Liberals generally don't support the rural areas and agriculture sector to the level of the Urban large centers. They are strong on supporting supply management because that garners support in Quebec.

Otherwise poorly thought out tarrifs on Chinese electric vehicles has resulted in large retalitory tarrifs on our grain. So supporting an almost non-existant Canadian EV industry has the effect of screwing the larger Ag industry that represents an important part of our gdp, but not many votes.

This is one simplified view on it. However it's not difficult to see why there are other perspectives. In your mind the liberals look out for every Canadian. In my mind they look out for the parts of Our society that represent the largest voting potential. I'm not sure that the UCP would do any better but the Liberals have not done the Ag sector any favours over the past 8 years. As a farmer how do I elicit positive change for myself by keeping the status quo?

I'm happy for you to show me I'm wrong and the reasons why the LPC will be a better advocate for agriculture, but up until now it hasn't appeared to be true.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

And yet, despite this, all the recent generic House polls show the Dems up, albeit it within the margin of error. There's a reason the GOP are looking to gerrymander so hard. And the brunt of the economic pain from the Trump policies is upcoming, only been a love tap so far. But with multiple aces in the hole (ICE shutting down polling stations in Dem heavy areas; false flag terrorist attack to institute martial law; straight up cancelling elections just because), still tough to see the Dems winning outright.

Agreed. But to add, the brunt of economic pain is obviously going to be felt, but starting to get opaque in the available data as Trump just replaced the economic stats group responsible for reporting economic data with sycophants responsible to curate a message that reflects good news only.

States are ####ed- they’re not even going to know what’s going on.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Defunding the CBC has been bandied about forever as it's a public broadcast service that only a fraction of Canadians use yet costs taxpayers $1.3 billion annually to operate. There are valid reasons behind defunding it that even Liberal voters support.

It’s the most widely available radio news (and programming) in the country…

32% of Canadians listen every week. Quite the fraction…

Also, if you don’t see the issue with villainizing public broadcasting then I don’t even know how to discuss this effectively.