2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[ResAlien]

Yet you understand the need to finger wag at those who don't align with your allegedly laissez faire attitude being "along for the ride". It's ok to let it go

[stemit14]

Was surprised the Kings were so quiet. Figured they would want to load up with some more skill up front given they’ll be facing the oilers again in the playoffs. I know they were in on Rantanen but he wouldn’t sign. But it seems like it was him or bust.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by 868904

I don't think Stankoven is that great, but even i would take him over Minten and Cowan.

Cowan is decent, but if Minten wasn't in Toronto, he'd be a nothing prospect. His is no better than Cole Schwindt.

Nick said he would take the Leafs offer over the Stars. Elliotte didn't agree, neither do I. I think Nick is a little too close to Toronto and overvaluing what they have. Wasn't impressed in the least with Cowan at the WJC, seems like a one dimensional selfish player.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Was surprised the Kings were so quiet. Figured they would want to load up with some more skill up front given they’ll be facing the oilers again in the playoffs. I know they were in on Rantanen but he wouldn’t sign. But it seems like it was him or bust.

They will get massacred or miss the playoffs entirely, I think. They need to solve for the really good teams around them (and EDM).

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Was surprised the Kings were so quiet. Figured they would want to load up with some more skill up front given they’ll be facing the oilers again in the playoffs. I know they were in on Rantanen but he wouldn’t sign. But it seems like it was him or bust.

Haha maybe they're resigned to their fate.

Or they want to drop below the Flames so they can play someone else and we take a run at the no goods instead.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

They will get massacred or miss the playoffs entirely, I think. They need to solve for the really good teams around them (and EDM).

Kuzmenko activate!

[SuperMatt18]

Bruins did pretty tidy work today IMO

Turned Carlo, Coyle, and Marchand, 5th into Mittelstadt, Minten, 1st, conditional 1st (could be 2nd), 2nd (Col), Zellers, Jokiharju

Got younger and added a lot of draft capital.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If I had your same level of nonchalance about success, I probably would have been a sports writer or something.

I want the team to win. I want my kids to want to cheer for the team. This team won't win anything, and the way they're building will replicate what we have. I don't have any disdain for the club, just the conman and the people pulling his strings. Shame because I quite like conny the person, but conny the manager is either spineless or has the wrong idea. Probably doesn't help that he was never really part of a winning club in his career.

We're literally year 1 into a rebuild, Conroy sold off a big chunk of the team last year. He traded his #1 goalie (Markstrom) last summer to give Wolf the net and I dont think anyone expected this team to be battling for a playoff spot but here we are.


This seems like a real unfair shot at the job Conroy has done with the team so far.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

My life is full of serious stuff that actually worries me.
Sports is fun for me.

When the team is trying to compete? Fun
When the team is re-building or re-whatevering? Fun!
When the team is making trades? Fun!
When the team is making a bet on its core? Fun!

I just don't understand the desire to constantly be dissatisfied with things. Chances are they aren't going to win a cup in the next 10 years, or maybe 20. So if you are basing your enjoyment on that being the only outcome that gives you joy - then man that's rough.

I'm here for the ride. Wherever it takes us.

It is fun no matter what and it shouldn't get you worked up that much. But it would also be fun to be any of these teams over the last 20 years.

San Jose
Chicago
Nashville
Pittsburgh
Anaheim
Boston
Detroit
Washington
LA
NYR
Carolina
STL
NJ
Tampa
Florida
Colorado
Dallas
Edmonton

Since we won our last cup when I was just a kid, over half the league can boast more sustained regular season success or more trips to the Finals/Deep Playoff runs.

0 cups in the next 20 years would still be ok if we have a run of 5 years or more where we are in the conversation. We had a couple years starting in 2004 that were pretty good but even those years had 1st round losses that were unexpected.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If I had your same level of nonchalance about success, I probably would have been a sports writer or something.

I want the team to win. I want my kids to want to cheer for the team. This team won't win anything, and the way they're building will replicate what we have. I don't have any disdain for the club, just the conman and the people pulling his strings. Shame because I quite like conny the person, but conny the manager is either spineless or has the wrong idea. Probably doesn't help that he was never really part of a winning club in his career.

There are 32 teams who have the goal to win. Some now, some soon, and some down the road. But that is the goal of every team as far as I'm aware. Even the Sabres want to win. That means 31 other GM's you are competing with. Not everyone gets to win. Most will lose and get fired. Its always been this way. But you can't expect results overnight.

How can you look at Conroy's body of work in the less than 2 years he's been GM and say these things? He was left with an absolute mess from BT and Darryl to clean up. On the ice and in the room.

He's done a magnificent job so far.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If I had your same level of nonchalance about success, I probably would have been a sports writer or something.

I want the team to win. I want my kids to want to cheer for the team. This team won't win anything, and the way they're building will replicate what we have. I don't have any disdain for the club, just the conman and the people pulling his strings. Shame because I quite like conny the person, but conny the manager is either spineless or has the wrong idea. Probably doesn't help that he was never really part of a winning club in his career.

I don't think you can blame Conroy either way. He has pressure from higher up to sell playoff tickets.

The only reason we were forced into trading players last year was because Lindholm and Hanifin both said no to us when we basically handed them a blank cheque. We should be thanking those 2 because that would have been a disaster.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

The only reason we were forced into trading players last year was because Lindholm and Hanifin both said no

Weird. I seem to recall us trading Toffoli, Zadorov, Markstrom & Mangiapane as well. Followed by Kuzmenko this year.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Weird. I seem to recall us trading Toffoli, Zadorov, Markstrom & Mangiapane as well. Followed by Kuzmenko this year.

3 of the 4 players you listed requested trades.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Weird. I seem to recall us trading Toffoli, Zadorov, Markstrom & Mangiapane as well. Followed by Kuzmenko this year.

3/4 asked for a trade.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

3 of the 4 players you listed requested trades.

The only reason why Toffoli requested a trade was because the Flames said they weren't going to offer an extension. It was a clear indication he was most likely going to be traded anyway.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

3 of the 4 players you listed requested trades.

Extra impressive we were able to get the assets we did then, isn't it?

My point is - looking at what Conroy has accomplished since he took over should give confidence moving forward.

It feels like mental gymnastics to try to paint what he's done in a negative light.

Just look at pure assets out versus assets in...I think we are on the right path.

[musth]

I feel that if he could've gotten some value in, or moved whoever out for a haul, he would have. Sounds like the day was just crazy all around. I have faith in CC to know

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

We're literally year 1 into a rebuild, Conroy sold off a big chunk of the team last year. He traded his #1 goalie (Markstrom) last summer to give Wolf the net and I dont think anyone expected this team to be battling for a playoff spot but here we are.


This seems like a real unfair shot at the job Conroy has done with the team so far.

Conroy tried to sign the UFA's last year, but they wouldn't sign. The team was bad. It was an easy sell-off. I honestly think Markstrom wanted out. The way he reacted so emotionally when the trade didn't go through says something.

I don't think Conroy has done a poor job, but the way he has operated thus far makes me believe he has his marching orders from up top, and he's operating within restrictions set out for him. These guys are afraid to take a step or two back to take a leap or two forward. Brad likely had the same orders, but he fortunately had a way better starting point. They're going to be in tough to improve if they think moves like Farabee, Frost, Sharagovich, etc are going to move the needle in any significant way.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Extra impressive we were able to get the assets we did then, isn't it?

My point is - looking at what Conroy has accomplished since he took over should give confidence moving forward.

It feels like mental gymnastics to try to paint what he's done in a negative light.

Just look at pure assets out versus assets in...I think we are on the right path.

Conroy's biggest accomplishment so far is that he failed to sign Lindholm and Hanafin to an extension. He still held onto both of them for too long rather then trading them for maximum value. He is doing the same thing with Andersson.

I don't blame Conroy though. This is a symptom of a team that is comfortable being mediocre but not comfortable in building properly.

Late trading the Iginla core. The craziness of the late Sutter GM era. Treliving's desperate attempt to recover after losing Gaudreau and Tkachuk. The overly quick exit from the last short rebuild. All symptoms of the same thing.

The mental gymnastics are trying to justify that a team as foundationally poor as the Flames weren't sellers during a free agency with these insane prices.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by kehatch

The mental gymnastics are trying to justify that a team as foundationally poor as the Flames weren't sellers during a free agency with these insane prices.

But sell what?

Kadri: Didn't want to be moved. Has protection. Perhaps could have be traded to Toronto but that's it

Huberdeau: Not moveable

Glencross: Trade protection.

Vladar: Couldn't get a return it seems

Backlund: I can see the argument here, I suspect he goes next deadline. Not sure he would much value with a year remaining

Pospisil: That's a guy I would have looked to move, but seems like teams were low-balling if they were interested.

Yegor: Would be selling low. Not worth it.

Bean/Hanley/Miro: Not likely a market

It seems like it comes down to the team not trading Andersson that has people in a snit. And not trading Kadri, if you ignore the trade protection he has.

I think people are reacting to them not even listening on Kadri, including from Colorado, but if the team knew he didn't want to go to a U.S. team what would be the point of it.

I just don't think there was much to be done here, outside of debating if now was the time to trade Rasmus.